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The Return of the 90s Web
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Re: The Return of the 90s Web
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
What we really need is a new Google, built on open principles (decentralized / peer to peer, fully free software, backed by a nonprofit), and focused on indexing the long tail of insightful content that is neglected by Google because it lacks SEO, popularity, links, and other metrics that Google find interesting but we don't necessarily do.
The problem with any such system is there is money from capturing eyeballs, so once any system gets popular a lot of people will dedicate time to spamming it. I don't know how avoid that.
Maybe there is a way to align spamming and curation? I mean what if all those people working on SEO would actually work on curation?
Re: The Return of the 90s Web
#193This seems to be one developer's wishful thinking, without any evidence presented to back up the assertion. Pointing out "hey, here's a couple websites that do server side rendering" does not a trend make. We're ripping out webflow, if anecdata counts for anything (it doesn't). Webflow occupies the barren middle ground of "too complicated for marketing people, too simple for technical people". I find it much easier t…
GOV.UK is a good example of a mainstream site that's built in the traditional manner. It's actually a collection of hundreds (thousands) of separate services, the vast majority of which are rendered on the server and use JS only where necessary.
As there's no advertising or images on most pages they tend to be incredibly fast too.
Re: The Return of the 90s Web
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
What we really need is a new Google, built on open principles (decentralized / peer to peer, fully free software, backed by a nonprofit), and focused on indexing the long tail of insightful content that is neglected by Google because it lacks SEO, popularity, links, and other metrics that Google find interesting but we don't necessarily do.
The problem with any such system is there is money from capturing eyeballs, so once any system gets popular a lot of people will dedicate time to spamming it. I don't know how avoid that.
Hm; a sibling comment about p2p made me start thinking about some kind of "authority" system, with personal tracking. I know it'd be a lot of work for everyone, bit it still sounds maybe doable to me. Like if everything posted to the "directories" was signed by its author, and you'd be able to mark entries (links) as valuable or not for yourself, which would be tracked in your local authors DB, by tweaking particular author's total score. Then you could share your list with friends, who could merge it into theirs, but still marked as coming from you. I know, kinda complex (and reminescent of gpg's "web of trust"), but maybe still could be an alternative to centralized services like google? Also the emerging p2p networks like dat/hypercore or ipfs or ssb already auto-sign people's published data, so maybe this could be tapped into...
Re: The Return of the 90s Web
#195I can't wait for server-side rendering to take its place in the sun again. There are many use cases for which a client-side framework like React is eesential. But I feel the vast majority of use cases on the web would be better off with server-side rendering. And... There are issues of ethics here. You are kidding yourself to an extent when you say that you are building a "client-side web app." It is essentially an a…
There’s an exponentially growing recruiting, training, and hiring industry based on developers who only know how to write fat JS frontends. I think everyone has probably experienced high growth in their company’s frontend team. Many developers choose to write them not out of expertise but to have them in their resume and for job security.
developers who only know how to write fat JS frontends
Nearly every web app is now two apps, and it's increasingly infeasible for any developer to have a mastery of both backend and frontend stacks.
Not necessarily a terrible problem when you have dozens of developers, but a lot of dev teams are 1-3 people. Instead of web dev circa 2010 where you might reasonably have a 3-person team of people who can each individually work anywhere in the stack, now your already-small team is bifurcated.
In many ways this is an inevitable price of progress... 100 years ago you had one doctor in town and they could understand some reasonable percentage of the day's medical knowledge. Today, we can work medical miracles, but it requires extreme specialization.
At least in the development industry, we can choose not to pay that price when it's not necessary.
Re: The Return of the 90s Web
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
An equivalent which provides sources older than the past hour, day, week, month, year, decade, century, or millennium would be an opportunity here.
Google has that, it's just stopped working. You'll end up with articles from 1997 that say they updated 4h ago. And the amount of seo garbage that gets through has polluted the remaining results. What would be really cool was if google could show what the results for a search looked like on a given day. Not the current algorithm, not any sites indexed since then, but what it looked like at the time. Going back to use…
Part of me wonders whether this is technically possible. I’m sure it’s an answerable question.
Re: The Return of the 90s Web
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
The less stuff on the server the better imo. Whenever I can get away with it I use a static site generator or I use vuejs with a json file containing all the data for the site. Being able to just drop a static set of files in to a webserver without any risk of security issues in my code is great. I also hate the tools for backend rendering since if you need any kind of interactivity it becomes so much easier if you h…
Phoenix LiveView gives you excellent interactivity with backend rendering.
I desperately want to check that out when I have some free time.
(In other news, I would desperately like some free time)
Re: The Return of the 90s Web
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
The alternative to Google for discovery is Reddit. Reddit is the modern web directory: - Directories are Communities defined by their link rules - Human-curated - Easy to start a new one - SSO across all communities - Built-in forum technology - Unified comment technology for every website You can get communities like reddit.com/r/Sizz for instance or larger ones like /r/esp8266 or massive ones like /r/sanfrancisco o…
I don't find reddit particularly navigable nor user friendly. It's a social media platform, not a discovery or search one. Even the communities I care about have limited utility.
I thought it was just me...
Every time I end up on a reddit (from a search result), its a click fest trying to see anything except 'top comments' and ultimately ends up very unsatisfying.
Re: The Return of the 90s Web
#199I can't wait for server-side rendering to take its place in the sun again. There are many use cases for which a client-side framework like React is eesential. But I feel the vast majority of use cases on the web would be better off with server-side rendering. And... There are issues of ethics here. You are kidding yourself to an extent when you say that you are building a "client-side web app." It is essentially an a…
React isn't bound to web, there's quite a few React Native targets (ios, android, macos, windows, qt, gtk)
I recommend React when making an app, web or otherwise.
I recommend vanilla HTML + CSS with optional JS when making a website.
Re: The Return of the 90s Web
#200What I miss most from the early days of the Internet is the content. It was all created with love. My theory is that the high barrier to entry of online publishing kept all but the most determined people from creating content. As a result, the little content that was out there was usually good. With today's monetized blogs, it is often content for content's sake. People don't try, or they write about topics which the…
I miss the lack of ads. But they had all those annoying pop ups and pop unders. Nowadays, Google just tracks you everywhere you go. Even when you’re browsing incognito.
Well you can do your part by not using google analytics/captcha/amp or other google spy services on your own sites.