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Basecamp’s founders are trying to start an email rebellion

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Post by disiplus »

holstvoogd wrote: post #78
las3r wrote: post #52

The pricing is more than steep. For that amount I can also buy an office 365 subscription which doesn't sell my data, and gives me access to all the desktop tools. I mean I'm willing to spend for this for a private mail address with a new way of working (I could even live without imap), but I can't justify these costs.

Yeah, 99$ seems like to much for me. I currently pay ~24€ for secure private email hosting in the EU. Not so many fancy features, but it does include a entire gsuite clone

i assume it's using OX. OX is not really gsuite clone, most of the apps are nowhere near the same quality.

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Post by _curious_ »

gramakri wrote: post #94
_curious_ wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"take private notes directly attached to the email" what does this mean?

Just a guess: maybe they treat email threads as a document. You can then add comments to it (i.e just notes for yourself and not for others)

I get it now, thanks y'all.

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Post by botverse »

bad_user wrote: post #150
svachalek wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google had an innovative email platform called Inbox that was widely loved by its users and they killed it two years ago. If the market is not billions of people they just don't care about it.

Google should have written seasons 7 and 8 of Game of Thrones.

Just chuckled at this.

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Post by tandr »

6510 wrote: post #131
onion2k wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a difference between the statements "Remote work works" and "It works for some people, in some situations." It's not like Basecamp said "Remote work works for everyone all the time in every situation ever." They just said it does work, as a counterpoint to the traditional IT company belief that tech is something that's hard to do remotely because of those "watercooler moments". To be honest, they don't even…

On the short term it works. We will have to see about the long run.

There are more than one example of successful companies working remote-first style for quite a while. Gitlab, shopify, I probably can find more.

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Post by elsurudo »

Nextgrid wrote: post #160
tobr wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know image size and percentage of white or transparent pixels without loading the image?

To be fair, if this happens server-side then they can just preload all remote content at delivery time, negating the privacy impact of trackers because the only data they'll get is the IP/user agent of the email server.

Jason Fried in the demo says that they do precisely this – they act as a proxy.

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Post by codersteve »

randomsearch wrote: post #198
rossdavidh wrote: post #77

"Three months into the pandemic, the argument about the moral and economic superiority of the modern office is over. Remote work works." So, I have worked (mostly) remotely for years, and I don't think I agree with this. It works for some people, in some situations. There are absolutely times when you need to be in the office with other people, and even if my client is in another town I have to drive over there to ta…

I absolutely love a lot of the Basecamp philosophy, I just don’t get the remote work thing. But they’re right about almost everything (or, I agree with them which to a human is the same thing), so they must be right about this too. So what am I missing? Remote work is lonely, isolating. You don’t have the same connection to a team. We don’t “go remote” with our friends and family as a policy (why bother reopening the…

>>We don’t “go remote” with our friends and family as a policy

Not as a policy, but we probably do more of it to our detriment. It's a really excellent point.

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Post by codersteve »

jimmydddd wrote: post #107
rossdavidh wrote: post #77

"Three months into the pandemic, the argument about the moral and economic superiority of the modern office is over. Remote work works." So, I have worked (mostly) remotely for years, and I don't think I agree with this. It works for some people, in some situations. There are absolutely times when you need to be in the office with other people, and even if my client is in another town I have to drive over there to ta…

I agree regarding the personal contacts. I've been working remotely for 10 years. But I think it works for me because I have a network of colleagues that I met and became friends with while working in offices over a previous 10 year period.

Bingo. I think this is the only reason it's working for my group right now and people declaring it "successful".

Like someone said above, we have no idea of the long term consequences.

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Post by yoz-y »

thayne wrote: post #55
bad_user wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my book "email done right" is using email addresses on your own domain . Using @fastmail.com makes no sense to me. If being locked into somebody else's domain is acceptable, then Gmail is a better deal. And if you still insist on using somebody else's domain, then all bets are off after you stop using that account. First of all because the service provider can always change their policies. Just like how when Yahoo…

Using your own domain has the same problem. If you ever stop paying for that domain, or lose it for some other reason, someone else could purchase it and start impersonating your email.

Fairly recently there was a story about somebody getting locked out of their gsuite account because their domain dns was hacked (IIRC) so a custom domain also introduces an additional attack vector.
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