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Re: undefined

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Post by edw519 » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 6:41 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #43

The fact that I agree with all of this just makes me sadder at how it was presented. Thanks for building a handy straw man for the methodology developers to attack. I flagged this --- it's virtually content free --- but that's a futile gesture given how susceptible HN is to this particular form of social engineering.

...it's virtually content free...

Not if you run it through ReadBetweenTheLines().

Hey Thomas, lighten up. Normally I'd agree with you, but not today. This post hit me just right...

I'm having a shitty day. Really shitty. 6 levels deep into garbage that never should have been written, trying to add one little feature. Asking myself every 7 minutes if I have time to rewrite without shifting everything else out a week.

I just returned from my 5th candy bar break in the past two hours, wondering why I'm still a programmer. Honestly, today was one of those days when supermarket clerk actually started sounding good.

Then I read this post and suddenly found the energy to make it through the day. I'll strap some kludgy fix onto this shit, ship it out, have a beer, and all will be fresh tomorrow.

Frankly, I'd rather read one post to save my day than 50 to save the world. But that's just me, motherfuckers.

Re: undefined

#92

Post by twymer » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 6:42 PM UTC

bjclark wrote: post #73

zedshaw wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's not even an XP conference anymore. I wonder why?

The same reason you don't have Programming, Motherfucker conference, I'd guess?

It was a joke as well?

Re: undefined

#93

Post by zedshaw » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 6:42 PM UTC

javery wrote: post #65

I can't believe there is a fucking tag on there.

I know right? So awesome it just blows you away.

Re: undefined

#94

Post by revorad » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 6:42 PM UTC

zedshaw wrote: post #33

jedsmith wrote: post #12

This page needs this badly, motherfucker: http://dropbox.jedsmith.org/programming-motherfuckers.jpg

Done.

You could do with a jingle too - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8F3UE9qFsg

Re: undefined

#95

Post by j_baker » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 6:43 PM UTC

zedshaw wrote: post #57

watchandwait wrote: post #51

More evidence that every Motherfucking Programmer needs a G-Damned Designer.

What? I'm rockin' the center tag like a pro and those tables are tight yo.

You're going soft, Zed. The correct answer was "This is Programming, Motherfucker".

Re: undefined

#96

Post by ethangunderson » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 6:43 PM UTC

fleitz wrote: post #55

Jabbles wrote: post #25

Programming is a subset of software engineering. A large number of important disciplines surround programming, including ones that just join one programmer's output to another. To state that you can get by solely with programming is foolish if you are tackling a problem of any complexity. Of course, reducing the overhead and improving the morale of developers is always a good thing, but somehow I don't think this is…

Software engineering is a subset of programming, particularly the subset that values unit tests, methodology, and a whole host of other bullshit over shipping code.

Software engineering is a subset of programming, particularly the subset where people give a shit about the code they ship.

Re: undefined

#97

Post by zedshaw » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 6:44 PM UTC

metachris wrote: post #38

jammur wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly, you're not familiar with Zed Shaw :)

Familiar enough to know that anything which has his name on it becomes pretty popular. Would this page have 91 upvotes if it wouldn't be signed "Zed A. Shaw And The Programming Motherfuckers" ?

Probably not, because then it would be written by someone else and therefore not be nearly as funny or intelligent.

Re: undefined

#98

Post by jammur » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 6:45 PM UTC

metachris wrote: post #38

jammur wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly, you're not familiar with Zed Shaw :)

Familiar enough to know that anything which has his name on it becomes pretty popular. Would this page have 91 upvotes if it wouldn't be signed "Zed A. Shaw And The Programming Motherfuckers" ?

Maybe, maybe not. It's not just his name that gets the up votes, but the context which it provides. If you've read the previous stuff Zed has written, it kinda gives you context for this site, and adds to the humor.

Re: undefined

#99

Post by mahmud » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 6:47 PM UTC

zaidf wrote: post #35

Flagged.

Ditto. Amateur hour shock-writing.

Re: undefined

#100

Post by charlief » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 6:47 PM UTC

edw519 wrote: post #91

tptacek wrote: post #43

The fact that I agree with all of this just makes me sadder at how it was presented. Thanks for building a handy straw man for the methodology developers to attack. I flagged this --- it's virtually content free --- but that's a futile gesture given how susceptible HN is to this particular form of social engineering.

...it's virtually content free... Not if you run it through ReadBetweenTheLines(). Hey Thomas, lighten up. Normally I'd agree with you, but not today. This post hit me just right... I'm having a shitty day. Really shitty. 6 levels deep into garbage that never should have been written, trying to add one little feature. Asking myself every 7 minutes if I have time to rewrite without shifting everything else out a week.…

I liked the article, I just hate the inconsistency here on HN when it comes to humorous/evocative submissions and comments. We scold some for violating the guidelines, and we bless others. Can we sometimes be more relaxed about what is submitted? If the answer is yes as you are indicating, can we make it this way all the time?

Ultimately the evolving community here will make the final judgement. I just feel that the guidelines can be adjusted to reflect what is acceptable.