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Post by zedshaw »

fleitz wrote: post #55
Jabbles wrote: post #25

Programming is a subset of software engineering. A large number of important disciplines surround programming, including ones that just join one programmer's output to another. To state that you can get by solely with programming is foolish if you are tackling a problem of any complexity. Of course, reducing the overhead and improving the morale of developers is always a good thing, but somehow I don't think this is…

Software engineering is a subset of programming, particularly the subset that values unit tests, methodology, and a whole host of other bullshit over shipping code.

I like unit tests, because they're also, Programming, Motherfucker.

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Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #43

The fact that I agree with all of this just makes me sadder at how it was presented. Thanks for building a handy straw man for the methodology developers to attack. I flagged this --- it's virtually content free --- but that's a futile gesture given how susceptible HN is to this particular form of social engineering.

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Post by jedsmith »

zedshaw wrote: post #76
tptacek wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it wasn't plain as day that Zed was serious about this, (a) I wouldn't be voted as high as it was, and (b) I wouldn't have commented on it. I just wish he hadn't built a caricature.

Yeah, I'm totally serious about it with that picture of Samuel L. Jackson right at the top. Totally dead serious. Going to start the conference tomorrow.

You dismiss the power of Samuel L. too quickly. If anything, he made it more serious.

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Post by scott_s »

moogatronic wrote: post #60
tptacek wrote: post #43

The fact that I agree with all of this just makes me sadder at how it was presented. Thanks for building a handy straw man for the methodology developers to attack. I flagged this --- it's virtually content free --- but that's a futile gesture given how susceptible HN is to this particular form of social engineering.

I'm not sure how this is content free. It's offering up a gateway to a discussion/criticism of a lot of crufty-methodologies. Opinionated and vulgar maybe, but it is still about software, hacking, and maybe even business.

I don't expect to see much civil or useful discussion in this thread. I haven't so far.

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Post by j_baker »

TimothyFitz wrote: post #9

Does Programming, Motherfucker really scale though? Every process listed is about teams of people Programming Together, Motherfucker. I've seen two people engaged in Programming, Motherfucker without Talking to Eachother, Motherfucker and the results were Disastrous, Motherfucker.

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Only on HN would you see a topic called "Programming, motherfucker" and see a comment asking "But does this scale?"

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Post by ascendant »

zedshaw wrote: post #76
tptacek wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it wasn't plain as day that Zed was serious about this, (a) I wouldn't be voted as high as it was, and (b) I wouldn't have commented on it. I just wish he hadn't built a caricature.

Yeah, I'm totally serious about it with that picture of Samuel L. Jackson right at the top. Totally dead serious. Going to start the conference tomorrow.

MotherFuckerCon 2011. It's a bunch of Agile coaches all standing around in circles passing rubber ducks to each other waiting for their turn to talk about what they're going to do...someday.

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Post by charlief »

cachemoney wrote: post #78
tptacek wrote: post #43

The fact that I agree with all of this just makes me sadder at how it was presented. Thanks for building a handy straw man for the methodology developers to attack. I flagged this --- it's virtually content free --- but that's a futile gesture given how susceptible HN is to this particular form of social engineering.

Love the irony: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2303854

What irony?

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Post by darushimo »

edw519 wrote: post #48

"The path of the righteous programmer is beset on all sides by the inequities of the clueless and the tyranny of evil project managers. Blessed is he, who in the name of achievement and solid technology, shepherds the users through the valley of ineptitude, for he is truly his customer's keeper and the finder of lost solutions. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would at…

that's a quote from Johnny Mnemonic, right? ;)
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