More evidence that every Motherfucking Programmer needs a G-Damned Designer.
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#52I'm truly curious what part of XP gets in the way of programming.
The part where you talk more about how you're going to program than actually Programming, Motherfucker.
Who does that? I don't know anyone that actually does XP that does that. There's no such thing as XP certification, and I have never seen an XP class offered. There's not even an XP conference anymore.
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#53Programming is a subset of software engineering. A large number of important disciplines surround programming, including ones that just join one programmer's output to another. To state that you can get by solely with programming is foolish if you are tackling a problem of any complexity. Of course, reducing the overhead and improving the morale of developers is always a good thing, but somehow I don't think this is…
Ha! You tried reason. Fool. This isn't a place for reason.
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#54As usual Zed Shaw brings cogent and thoughtful debate to the table. I especially like the inaccurate[1] and racist ending. [1] プログラミング、マザーファッカー (puroguramingu mazaafakkaa) e: I was referring to http://oppugn.us/posts/1300784321.html I did not notice the link was different.
Fixed. Thanks for translating that.
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#55Programming is a subset of software engineering. A large number of important disciplines surround programming, including ones that just join one programmer's output to another. To state that you can get by solely with programming is foolish if you are tackling a problem of any complexity. Of course, reducing the overhead and improving the morale of developers is always a good thing, but somehow I don't think this is…
Software engineering is a subset of programming, particularly the subset that values unit tests, methodology, and a whole host of other bullshit over shipping code.
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#56The fact that I agree with all of this just makes me sadder at how it was presented. Thanks for building a handy straw man for the methodology developers to attack. I flagged this --- it's virtually content free --- but that's a futile gesture given how susceptible HN is to this particular form of social engineering.
Yeah, humor's so damn manipulative.
See: XKCD.
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#57More evidence that every Motherfucking Programmer needs a G-Damned Designer.
What? I'm rockin' the center tag like a pro and those tables are tight yo.
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#58But how do we get certified? It can't possibly be a valid way to work if there isn't a certificate program, or some test I can take. What about all the coaches !? right. kidding. love it. make t-shirts.
T-shirts would be awesome, probably wouldn't be able to wear them to too many places though.
Not a problem. I never go anywhere. I'm always Programming, Motherfucker.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
The part where you talk more about how you're going to program than actually Programming, Motherfucker.
Who does that? I don't know anyone that actually does XP that does that. There's no such thing as XP certification, and I have never seen an XP class offered. There's not even an XP conference anymore.
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#60The fact that I agree with all of this just makes me sadder at how it was presented. Thanks for building a handy straw man for the methodology developers to attack. I flagged this --- it's virtually content free --- but that's a futile gesture given how susceptible HN is to this particular form of social engineering.
I'm not sure how this is content free. It's offering up a gateway to a discussion/criticism of a lot of crufty-methodologies. Opinionated and vulgar maybe, but it is still about software, hacking, and maybe even business.