GitHub isn't fun anymore • Hacker News Board

Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by tomnipotent » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 4:36 PM UTC

devmunchies wrote: post #491

asveikau wrote: post #445

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I remember once it felt a bit jarring when I heard native American cultures contrasted with "western" ones. Surely they are more "western" than Europeans.

Native Americans and pre-Christian pagan Europeans had a lot in common. Both cultures that honor seasonal cycles, animals, nature, ancestors, animism etc. Unfortunately “western” is now seen as the Abrahamic judeo-Christian capitalistic worldview, even though the west sprang out of pagan Greece and Rome.

Rome was Christian when the Western and Eastern empires were founded, and when they fell. My understanding is that modern West/East etymology is heavily influenced by the Western/Eastern Roman empires.

Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by TeaDrunk » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 4:37 PM UTC

bendergarcia wrote: post #458

TeaDrunk wrote: post #378

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Yes, I think that it is an easy signal that Microsoft (and GitHub) believes racism and prejudice is worth an adjustment in language. It’s much harder to actually perform systemic changes and I’m sure people would do plenty of gnashing of teeth about any significant movement, such as if Microsoft had grants only available to BIPOC (black/indigenous people of color, who have unique hardships in discriminatory systems i…

I think I follow what you’re saying. And I don’t think it has to be one or the other.Corporations and People need to both signal and action towards more equality. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. It is much harder but through signaling we raise the importance of the issue and increase the likelihood for action.

I think both is indeed important. But I also think (and wish to focus on) that if Microsoft/GitHub leadership wish to indicate that they care about systemic racism and racial bias/inequality in their workplaces, they cannot stop at language adjustments on their platform. They must put up capital.

(Also, I think that criticism that only language changes are relatively useless is not without some substance. If we had more BIPOC in our workplaces and leadership, and it is something black people in tech advocate for, then it is a problem that would solve itself because tech companies would have to choose between losing their CTO/CIO/Chief Architect/Director of Technology Platform Worth $$$$$ and adjusting their language to be welcoming to their employees.)

Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by iamaziz » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 4:38 PM UTC

One of my first go-to web pages, when I open a browser, is the github.com/trending page. I find it fun (in general) to explore and discover the latest in OOS.

On the contrary to the negative sentiment in the blog, I feel GitHub "now" made it much easier to find the relevant contents and repos that I actually care about.

Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by quadrifoliate » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 4:45 PM UTC

vxNsr wrote: post #393

bluntfang wrote: post #367

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I've read that thread a few times and I see the people requesting the change doing so in a calm, reasonable manner. The only non-productive posts I see are from people who are vehemently and acerbically against it.

That's false in the first 10 comments > emilyst commented 11 days ago I live in a country with a real dictator (although not on paper), unchecked police that's just an instrument in the hands of the government, and while no one here has any fondness of the Bulgarian police as an institution or our cops, I don't have any issues with the words "police" and "cop". "works on my machine" Additionally I haven't seen a sing…

That "works on my machine" comment in particular is flippant and definitely degrades a complex discussion in my opinion.

The project name is a pun on a science fiction movie, if the (unpaid) maintainer does not want to change it for compatibility reasons, that's entirely understandable. People should donate money or contribute substantial code effort towards the name change if they care enough.

Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by waynesonfire » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 4:47 PM UTC

frankcaron wrote: post #374

Imo, Github has only been moving further in the right direction lately — and more social features ain't it, chief. The better value proposition lift from giving folks and teams more free private repos was huge, and the increasingly-prominent integration of Github into enterprise tools is facilitating (if not helping to force) the modernization of enterprise dev outside the software industry. I've never been a bigger…

yeah, really not a fan of all the social and trending content. i have a business to run and i can't turn this crap off.

Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by emiliosic » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 4:47 PM UTC

Use Gitlab. Better yet, run your own instance of Gitlab

Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by xwdv » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 4:48 PM UTC

TeaDrunk wrote: post #424

antihero wrote: post #405

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I do feel a lot of the fear around PC is based on taking extreme examples and thinking everyone is trying to destroy things. For instance the Rubocop - someone suggested it, some people agreed, some people disagreed, and ultimately they did not rename it. The React props and mount thing is just ludicrous...unfortunately the people with the most extreme viewpoints often shout the loudest.

Yes I agree that the props/mount thing is silly, which is probably why it's only seen in one discussion years ago and hasn't gained any traction since. It's far different than the issues that garnered the rise of community guidelines, which were broad, systemic, and repeated in several communities.

It didn't gain traction because the woman who brought it up was told to fuck off. It almost would have gained traction if just a few more people decided to agree with her, but the resistance was instantly discouraging.

Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by jayd16 » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 4:48 PM UTC

lqet wrote: post #288

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #100

I’ve never considered GitHub to be “fun.” It’s a great tool , though. Most of my GH interaction is through my desktop system, not a browser (pushing and pulling checkouts). I’ve been using some form of source control for nearly 30 years (since Projector, in the 1990s). It’s a tool. A very, very important tool. I appreciate many of the “glossy” features of GH, like hero images and GH Pages, but this shows how “out of…

Tangential: what is up with this inflationary expectation that everything should be "fun" and "exciting" and "thrilling"? I feel like western society as a whole is thinking more and more in terms of a six year old. For adults, there lies incredible satisfaction in mastering any but the most exploitative professions or jobs and fulfilling them dutifully, even if they are be no means "fun".

Pretty sure everything has been marketed this way since the advertising boom or sooner. Go look at soap ads from 100 years ago.

Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by kps » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 4:54 PM UTC

diegoperini wrote: post #486

kps wrote: post #462

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Hopefully something not using git. Changeset workflow glued onto snapshot storage is just fundamentally broken.

Can you explain why? It sure has its pluses and minuses but which aspect makes it broken?

I've had to deal with reconciling a divergent tree; I've seen code that does not appear in `git show x` for any x in `show show --full-history`, and discovered that `git show XXXX` is different from `git diff XXXX^..XXXX`. I'm sure a fanboy will be along to tell me that a commit is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors and I just need to run `git-vent-branch --relieve-mimic-subtree --stub-indict-file`, but I'd rather not.

Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by nilkn » Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 4:56 PM UTC

_fnhr wrote: post #349

CydeWeys wrote: post #296

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Are these problems you've actually had? I have various stuff on GitHub and none of this has remotely happened to me. What you're describing does not jibe with my lived experience of what GitHub is actually like.

You don't really need to experience it to see how this one day might happen to you. Here is a recent example with RuboCop: https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091 "Cop" suddenly became a problematic word and you can read the comments in that issue thread. Imagine you have some repo like "PinkKitty", and then someone blows himself up dressed in pink and pink becomes a symbol of Jihad or White Supremacy or wh…

What's fascinating to me is this sort of abrupt and demanding language policing seems to overwhelmingly be a phenomenon with white people. This is very strongly reflected in those comments. This is something I've repeatedly noticed; I don't have much insight or commentary beyond the observation itself. (It's also very US-centric, though that is less surprising to me.)

If I were to reach a bit and try to look under the hood at what might be going on, I'd wonder if this behavior is itself an expression of white privilege in America. After all, these demands are based on the idea that one can change usage patterns overnight in one of the most widely spoken languages in the world. To try to exert so much immediate control over something that cannot be owned and that exists far beyond this one country seems to be a very privileged position to take.