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Watched first 10 videos with youtube links in the list: url - description - what I see in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4_yJjdsJ_0 - trampling a peaceful protestor with a horse - protester stepped into the horse's way without looking in that direction, nobody's fault https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTGneu7tZU - Shoving an unarmed woman to the curb, prompting a seizure that put her in the emergency room…
Some ideas: - Less immunity, and discharge without pension for blatant violations, for example being caught on camera hiding a badge, or deliberately bumping into someone to be able to argue that they were "assaulted". - Longer police traning. A 6-12months is how long you should train to be an unarmed mall security guy. Two or three years for a policeman seems like a minimum if you want qualified officers. - Federal…
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What would you have done in that situation?
If you can’t not punch a handcuffed suspect, then you don’t deserve to be a cop. Simple.
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> Not sure I'd agree. Why? Income inequality is correlated with crime rate, why wouldn't you use that to find comparable countries? Seems useful to me, similarly to comparing diabetes rates in countries with similar levels of obesity, not based on average hair color or amount of trees per square mile. > the richest nation on earth You'll need to define what "richest" means, I guess. The highest GDP? Largest military…
The USA can /afford/ to be better. Comparison with other wealthy nations seems to me to be the right benchmark. I mean the richest nation on earth bar none. The amount of wealth in the nation. Literally that. The USA cannot plead poverty as an excuse for why anything is worse there than any other nation. Do you see it now?
I don't think US-citizens by and large want that change bad enough to accept restrictions upon their freedoms and an end to low taxes, European-level wealth redistribution does not seem to be popular in the US. I suppose they'd like the result without doing it. Unfortunately that's like wanting to be great at tennis without wanting to put in the training: understandable, but not happening.
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I recommend the latest Sam Harris podcast on this subject, he makes a ton of nuanced points that many people miss when talking about "police brutality".
As Noam Chomsky said, when asked about what he believes about people considering Sam Harris as an intellectual: "Unfortunately we get the intellectuals we deserve".
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> Also, are you suggesting that the riots are peaceful? So apparently you haven't watched any of the videos, huh? Guess what? The problem is that police are frequently "on edge" in their normal jobs, and as a result innocent people are seriously injured or die . And worse, police are "on edge" far more around blacks than whites, meaning far more blacks are injured by police than whites. It doesn't matter what the cau…
>So apparently you haven't watched any of the videos, huh? Yes, I watched a few from this link, and that admittedly small sample didn't show a single peaceful protester being abused by cops. I suppose you watched more of them? >Guess what? The problem is that police are frequently "on edge" in their normal jobs, and as a result innocent people are seriously injured or die. And worse, police are "on edge" far more aro…
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> 1984 has a much higher cultural impact and awareness than ATLA My anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise, but I’d love some real data - how are you measuring that?
Me too as my anecdotal evidence is completely opposite of you, neither myself or anyone I know would get a reference to ATLA, I vaguely know about it because of the anime being broadcasted in some channel. These are all late 20s, early 30s people, Brazilians, Scandinavians, Germans, Dutch and so on, 1984 would immediately be known by most, quite a few have read it, none (even if they know about ATLA, what many don't)…
Since it was American made, that makes it a cartoon and not an anime.
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With all due respect, 1984 has a much higher cultural impact and awareness than ATLA. The show isn't that well known outside of current 20-30 year olds.
Frankly... among my generation of roughly 30 year olds, I'd expect Avatar the Last Airbender to have higher cultural impact than 1984 (which was written in 1949). Most of us were forced to read 1984 and didn't really enjoy it. ATLA however, is something that we organically grew up with through high-school / college and actually paid attention to. My group of friends would be aware of 1984 concepts... such as "Big Bro…
1984 is a very popular and influential book.
I fairly confident that if you asked the authors of Avatar The Last Airbender they would tell you straight that they’d based that idea on 1984.
I’d be willing to bet people will be quoting 1984 long after ATLA has been forgotten.
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Additionally, the civil rights suits later brought against them get paid by taxpayers , not the offending officers. Their abuse is literally publicly subsidized. Lawsuit settlements for the police committing human rights abuses should come out of the police pension fund.
> Lawsuit settlements for the police committing human rights abuses should come out of the police pension fund. No, they should come out of taxpayer funds. The principal is responsible for the actions of their agents. If the public authority doesn't properly screen, train, supervise, and discipline police to protect civil rights, it is their responsibility and the responsibility of the public who chooses that authori…
I'm pretty sure that that's what I just proposed, by causing the results of supervision and discipline to trigger negative consequences.
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>So apparently you haven't watched any of the videos, huh? Yes, I watched a few from this link, and that admittedly small sample didn't show a single peaceful protester being abused by cops. I suppose you watched more of them? >Guess what? The problem is that police are frequently "on edge" in their normal jobs, and as a result innocent people are seriously injured or die. And worse, police are "on edge" far more aro…
> Yes, I watched a few from this link, and that admittedly small sample didn't show a single peaceful protester being abused by cops. TGD #1 shows a woman standing with a sign being run over by a horse. That's absolutely peaceful. TGD #2 shows a woman who was walking backwards in front of a police officer being shoved so hard she flies several meters back and hits her head on the curb. She was in the officer's face,…
That sounded interesting, so I tried to find some.
First one I found was this https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235256692_Results_f...
-- the conclusion seemed to be exactly counter to what the research you were talking about showed. "In addition, where errors were made, participants across experiments were more likely to shoot unarmed White suspects than unarmed Black or Hispanic suspects, and were more likely to fail to shoot armed Black suspects than armed White or Hispanic suspects."