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Post by trabant00 »

Watched first 10 videos with youtube links in the list:

url - description - what I see in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4_yJjdsJ_0 - trampling a peaceful protestor with a horse - protester stepped into the horse's way without looking in that direction, nobody's fault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTGneu7tZU - Shoving an unarmed woman to the curb, prompting a seizure that put her in the emergency room - police pushed somebody away from them, clip is cut right at the push, we have no context on what prompted that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu1KRskL-0E - doing an intentional hit-and-run with a car door to an unarmed protestor standing in the non-vehicular bike lane - protesters standing in the street in front of emergency vehicles with their lights and sirens on, but the door hit (minor) was definitely intentional and unnecessary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOzn6rWbpwU - NYPD were just beating a variety of people earlier tonight because they could - police try to arrest some people who are resisting, some other protesters jump the police, police hit people with sticks, get them on the ground, handcuff. No unnecessary violence I can see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESAl1OK5V8Y - beating a variety of unarmed protestors for sport - line of policeman pushing protesters back, nothing more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8CPc_R5iEI - pepper-spraying a variety of unarmed protestors for sport - police pepper spray protesters who got in their face insulting them, but where not violent. Pepper spray unjustified from what I can tell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGlRSPE2lL0 - Minneapolis PD officer in an SUV indiscriminately sprays random citizens with pepper spray from his car window - yes, because people where getting in the way of police vehicles with lights/siren on in the middle of the street

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH0HPW8Eagk - detonating flashbang grenades in a docile crowd of unarmed protestors for sport - video shot from very far away, we can see nothing of what is going on there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G0WhaqBRb0 - shooting a random protestor in the neck with a rubber bullet, then detonating more flash-bangs - people surrounding a building with policeman on top, video of low quality with fingers in front of camera, from far away, nothing I can understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLzQefpBvM - Police arresting CNN reportes on air - reporter gets arrested in a very peaceful manner, both him and police are very chill. No context on why.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by bazzert »

fnord123 wrote: post #322
_yt0l wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are ~10 million arrests per year in the US. That google doc includes non-US cases as well (but is also limited by what’s caught on camera). Still, 0.0007% of arrests leading to a case like this doesn’t seem as horrible as the raw total in isolation.

There is one UK example which is actually a counter example where the police allowed a statue to be destroyed instead of intervening and creating a potentially dangerous altercation.

The police did that in Portsmouth, VA ie. stood back and allowed a mob to pull down a statue which struck a man causing what is probably a life long injury.

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Post by ashtonkem »

krzyk wrote: post #370
watwut wrote: post #240

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If this would be the case, the rest would report the violent ones, would testify against them and violent ones would be removed. This would happen in cases where is no video and no public outcry. That it does not seem to be happening unless there is video and public outcry suggest the issue is cultural and institutional, not just individual. The good cop is not reporting bad cop and is not testifying against him. May…

Would you report your fellow in company that e.g. goes late to work? Or uses corporate assets (printer, laptop) for personal things? This is similar, if you know someone you have less incentive to report on one. The better you know them, the higher is the bar for reporting.

No, someone showing up late to work and someone else violently beating or murdering a citizen is not the same thing. At all.

Those two scenarios are so far apart, attempting to draw a comparison is disturbing.

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Post by peterwwillis »

kthejoker2 wrote: post #412

If there ever was a case of "don't comment unless you've RTFA" this it: people extrapolating their viewpoint on a list of 700 things from watching 1, 2, 3 ... At a minimum, watch 100 videos. I did last night, only took about an hour, it's easy to find some to nitpick, some which are ambiguous ... and plenty that are totally horrifying. If you can watch 100 videos in a row from Greg Doucette's list and say, "the milit…

Can we begin with the fact that this isn't even remotely in the same universe as a peer reviewed study? There's nothing to compare it to, there's no data on what the timeline is, there's no meta analysis of the different cases, what sparked the incidents, the outcomes, or how often non-violent confrontations or de-escalations happen, etc.

Basically you're looking at a single specific dataset, like "number of children strangled", and deciding to extrapolate from that whatever you feel like, like "a systemic and perpetual abuse of mothers and babysitters power by evil matriarchs".

Honestly, I credited this crowd with more brains. Horror porn is not an intellectual argument.

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Post by alkonaut »

pnako wrote: post #391
alkonaut wrote: post #359

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> a police that's tough Tough is having courage and compassion while being firm. Tough not being an insecure bully. Please don't use "tough" when relating to US police brutality. Having a decent police force is a solved problem. Just look around for a country with a decent relationship between population and law enforcements. Look what made that happen (Was it 2-3 year police training? mental health screens? No quali…

Do you really think we can apply the policing methods of Iceland or Japan to the areas of Mexico where you have cartels chopping up people? Crime and violence are not homogeneous around the world, so I don't think police can be either. See how far you go with a compassionate police in Brazil.

I think this is a false dichotomy. "Police brutality" isn't when police use force when required, it's when they use more force than required.

> Crime and violence are not homogeneous around the world

It's also a bit defeatist to say that somehow the US is infested with crime and violence and that must always be the case. This isn't a problem that will be solved in just one or two generations. Attitudes take a long time to change, but perhaps Police culture is part of the propblem and not just the solution.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #352
commoner wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those figures are for fatal police shootings, not for all police shootings. Police shootings and police brutality do not necessarily result in death.

You keep avoiding the question. How many are unjustified?

Ignoring the land mine that is defining "unjustified," why is somebody else obligated to answer your question?

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

Kiro wrote: post #341
aendruk wrote: post #287

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Not sure that helps much; I’ve never heard of NCIS. Some people just don’t spend their time watching TV.

That's fine but considering NCIS is the most watched TV show of 2019 I'm sure it holds as a reference for "mainstream". Edit: I know downvote edits are frowned up but... I need to ask: why are people downvoting this? Do you not think NCIS is good example of a mainstream show?

Due to the glut of content available today, viewership is fractured. It doesn't take much to be the "most watched TV show" any more, just like it doesn't actually take many sales to top the music charts. Something can hold a record for viewership while still being something that most of the population (or most of a subculture like us here) remain oblivious to.

Also, HN is a global community, and even though many television shows are watched internationally, their impact on pop culture overall can be drastically different. So, you can't assume a major show in your country will be readily recognized by your fellow nerds in another country.

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Post by givinguflac »

Kiro wrote: post #203
spike021 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people. A reference I never expected to see on HN. It's insane, but then you realize that a significant portion of the US population _still_ only watches television news media and refuses to spend extra time looking at other sources, like Twitter.

Why unexpected? The Last Airbender is as mainstream as NCIS today.

I’m not sure about the comparison to NCIS, but TLA is in the top ten on Netflix currently, it’s quite popular.

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Post by raxxorrax »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #414
raxxorrax wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is neither fair, feasible nor practical to be honest. You want to judge them as a group while basically complaining against their practices of profiling.

A department is a group, one that they voluntarily joined.

The comment accused the police as a whole for inciting protest. In this case a police officer probably failed his duties and the police gets accused as a whole. You should accuse government, it would be more believable.
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