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Post by vegai_ »

rabidrat wrote: post #110
jennyyang wrote: post #56

The thing that really makes things worse is that the police are causing most of these protests and riots with their violent, unwarranted behavior. This triggers riots and protests, which require the police to work overtime. They get paid for causing all these problems, and well paid. Their overtime costs must be tremendous. And who ends up paying? We do. We should claw back police overtime pay for any protests or rio…

Over the last week I have been starting to realize that what you said is true in general, and not just of protests. It seems that police inflame and instigate most of the violent situations they are involved in. We are literally paying to be abused. We shouldn't be trying to get that money back; we shouldn't even be paying it in the first place.

What would you suggest instead of police, when the goal is to maintain a civilization of diverse people?

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Post by cyberdrunk »

DeonPenny wrote: post #65

The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

I recommend the latest Sam Harris podcast on this subject, he makes a ton of nuanced points that many people miss when talking about "police brutality".

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Post by vegai_ »

danShumway wrote: post #76
bufferoverflow wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it out of control though? The police has 700K members in the US. Millions of daily interactions with people of all kinds. All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. And I guess the claim is brutality wasn't justified in every single case. In reality there are not 400 cases on that list, and in many cases the violence was justified. I'm not saying the police doesn't do wrong, they absolutely do. We have ex…

> All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. These aren't from all the years, they're from approximately May 26th of this year. It's 400 cases in the last 3-4 weeks. That is a startlingly high number, made worse once you actually start digging into the individual incidents, because you realize they're not just isolated. A lot of these videos aren't, "a single police officer does something shifty", they're, "…

>These aren't from all the years, they're from approximately May 26th of this year. It's 400 cases in the last 3-4 weeks.

But... aren't there riots everywhere right now? This isn't exactly a normal situation.

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Post by alexashka »

baddox wrote: post #103
devcpp wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair you are comparing an adversarial job with a cooperative one. A crane operator won't feel unsafe, or confronted by someone he calls hostile. This is no excuse whatsoever for the multitude of outraging problems in the system, but the comparison isn't straightforward.

Quite the opposite. The adversarial job should have higher standards of conduct, not lower.

All humans, not just jobs, should have higher standards of conduct, don't you think?

Where are you going to get the humans who are able, wanting and willing to live up those higher standards is my question for you.

Last I checked, anyone can decide at any moment to be completely broke, a drug addict, a criminal, an alcoholic, a piece of shit, have an unlimited number of children and everyone else has to support them for some reason.

What kind of standard of conduct is that?

You won't ever get people to conduct themselves properly if ignore evolution and pretend you can magically educate people into not being animals. Americans don't even bother with trying to live up to the education myth, given how much they pay school teachers. They think they can just import people with higher standards of conduct when they have to and outsource the rest. It's more profitable this way you see, to ignore reality, fund bogus economics, manufacture consent and have this planet go to shit. It's more profitable this quarter you see.

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Post by pjc50 »

krzyk wrote: post #234
jennyyang wrote: post #56

The thing that really makes things worse is that the police are causing most of these protests and riots with their violent, unwarranted behavior. This triggers riots and protests, which require the police to work overtime. They get paid for causing all these problems, and well paid. Their overtime costs must be tremendous. And who ends up paying? We do. We should claw back police overtime pay for any protests or rio…

Don't throw all police officers into one bucket. You have some outliers that are violent and the rest just does their job - keeping the city more safe. Also don't assume all cases of police officer shooting a person are cases of police brutality - this is for court to prove.

The NYPD challenge coins tell a very different story: https://researchdestroy.com/nypd-challenge-coins.pdf

"The 81st Precinct covers Bedford-Stuyvesant and Stuyvesant Heights. The NYPD Tapes were secret recordings made by whistleblower officer Adrian Schoolcraft in 2008-2009 proving widespread corruption and abuse in the precinct. After voicing his complaints internally, he faced harrassment by fellow officers. High-ranking NYPD officials eventually ordered an illegal SWAT raid on his apartment, physically abducting him and involuntarily committing him to a psychiatric facility for six days. The license plate “54-EDP” references a “10-54 EDP” call, in which a so-called “emotionally disturbed person” is taken to a hospital via ambulance. The quote is the Deputy Chief ’s recorded order to remove “rat” Schoolcraft to the hospital."

NYPD have made it very clear that if you're a "good" cop, the rest of the cops will destroy you.

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Post by aendruk »

Kiro wrote: post #203
spike021 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people. A reference I never expected to see on HN. It's insane, but then you realize that a significant portion of the US population _still_ only watches television news media and refuses to spend extra time looking at other sources, like Twitter.

Why unexpected? The Last Airbender is as mainstream as NCIS today.

Not sure that helps much; I’ve never heard of NCIS.

Some people just don’t spend their time watching TV.

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Post by [deleted] »

chillwaves wrote: post #184
known wrote: post #156

Since 45% of America is uninhabited it's better to give African-Americans a Separate Country https://archive.vn/YXDP8

How will you tell who is sufficiently white or black enough to live in each part of the country? Also very disappointing to see openly white supremacist posts on HN. Shameful.

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Post by raxxorrax »

jennyyang wrote: post #56

The thing that really makes things worse is that the police are causing most of these protests and riots with their violent, unwarranted behavior. This triggers riots and protests, which require the police to work overtime. They get paid for causing all these problems, and well paid. Their overtime costs must be tremendous. And who ends up paying? We do. We should claw back police overtime pay for any protests or rio…

That is neither fair, feasible nor practical to be honest. You want to judge them as a group while basically complaining against their practices of profiling.

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Post by dillonmckay »

danShumway wrote: post #227
aganame wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever had to restrain a person who might want to kill you? While wearing a firearm? I have done some grappling in MA myself, but I imagine the stakes are in another dimension on a real situation. I'm not totally certain there are any people who can be "good" at it in the sense that they'll never make mistakes or lose their cool. Then consider that there are over 10 million situations every year where somethin…

In the course of one thread, there's now a series of sequential arguments from several different commenters progressing from: "A lot of these videos don't show anything wrong", to "Well, here's at least two videos that show nothing wrong", to "Okay, the video looks bad, but the full context probably justifies it", to "Sure it was wrong, but keep in mind that in a stressful situation everybody makes mistakes". I'm eag…

But, not really resigning in the sense of no longer an employee, just, not responsible for that role.

So, still getting paid.

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