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Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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That doesn't mean it's behavior is the same.

True, but then I’m not sure Mozilla would be able to survive if Google stopped their deal with them due to say, adding ad-blocking to Firefox by default. Not the same, but it certainly influences the direction of FF.

This is true, but then again absolutely all browsers are being funded by ads. We are talking Edge, Safari, Brave, all of them.

Did you know that Apple does in fact get more money from Google than Mozilla does, for keeping their search engine as the default? 12 billion dollars in 2019. Do you think Apple would activate ad blocking by default and risk losing that many billions of dollars? Speaking of which, Safari's ad blocking is the joke of the industry.

You could make the case that Safari might survive if Google cuts its funding, but judging from the history of IExplorer, I have my doubts. One could make the case that Safari is alive just because Apple is making a shit ton of money on it.

Did you know that Microsoft's Bing Ads platform made them 8 billion dollars in 2019? Do you think Microsoft would do anything to jeopardize that ads revenue? Did you know that Windows 10 has an "advertising ID" used to personalize ads, that via Edge is transmitted to Bing?

Did you know that Brave, that leech which is piggybacking on other people's work, that's supposedly blocking ads by default, is effectively replacing publisher ads with their own, then forcing those publishers to enter into deals with them for a piece of the action, while making it really hard to detect and block Brave? All the while pushing shady cryptocurrency affiliate ids straight in their source code?

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Mozilla might not push for ads blocking by default.

But they do block trackers by default and their browser is afaik the only one that has legitimately supported uBlock Origin on top of Android. And uBlock Origin is the best, most aggresive ads blocker available and given Google deprecating the blocking ability of the WebRequest API, Firefox might remain the only one with a uBlock Origin implementation.

Could Firefox survive without Google?

I don't know, but can any other browser survive without Google or Bing? I have my doubts and you'd be naive to think otherwise. Plus this is just whataboutism.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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But that's the thing, if Google is responsive enough to implementing new technologies and improving their browser, there's no reason for most web devs to advocate for an alternative browser. A (high-quality) monoculture is actually much much easier on most web devs, because it minimizes the number of browsers they have to support for quirks.

> A (high-quality) monoculture is actually much much easier on most web devs, because it minimizes the number of browsers they have to support for quirks. Short-term, sure. Long-term it opens devs to Google's whims and makes the "open" web barely more open than Apple's AppStore. But that's short-term vs long-term thinking and I can't deny most would prioritize the short-term. Here's hoping there's still enough ideali…

GNU did great things for UNIX. It hasn't really demonstrated much utility in the user experience improvement space. The flow there, in general, appears to be that the big, closed source commercial interests devise new approaches for user interface operation and the open source community copies the ones that work.

The only space I can name off the top of my head where my open-source architectures have outstripped Windows and Mac in UX is virtual desktops.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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That's bullshit, it's not an attempt to help anybody but Google. What better way to keep people on AMP pages, than to make them so ignorant as to not even know how to tell the difference?

What the heck? A regular user doesn’t understand or care what the technical difference between a “regular” page and AMP is. I wouldn’t call this ignorance per se.

I'm pretty sure regular people can tell the difference between a regular page and an AMP page. The AMP page simply doesn't work right and it's quite difficult to miss that.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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This might be harmful to github pages where it would hide the repository name. If they include this without offering an option to turn it off, I will quit using Chrome.

It would be harmful for any site, whose content 'root' is not (sub)domain. Thus most user-submitted content - projects on github, youtube channels, ...

"URLs as breadcrumbs" solve this cleanly. They've already been visible for years in web search results.

Here the address bar would show "(padlock) [Github Inc] Github.com > Name Of Account > Name Of Project" for example. This is much clearer for end users.

Developers can always toggle an option to always show the URL or something.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Most users need to care about that as much as they need to care about whether the page is being vended from a fresh server response or local cache.

would you care if you went to mybank.com.sketchysite.us?

Bad analogy. AMP is a Google content proxying technology, and Google isn't generally understood to be a "sketchy site."

Users with the level of paranoia that puts Google in the "untrusted site" space should be sidestepping this whole conversation by avoiding using the browser Google develops regardless of what Google does to its URL bar.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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There is no company that is more well equipped to detect fraudulent domains than Google. They have the most data, most engineers, must anything that matters here.

This is something else.

I'm actually using Edge and it's not terrible. Multiple choices in the market is good.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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If their goal is really to help detect fraudulent sites (the sorts of google.com.notahacker.tk), they can just show the domain in a more prominent way -- they're already deemphasizing the part of the URL after the domain name anyway. This is clearly not their motive. What Google is trying to do here is to drift the web from its most iconic components: the URL. This is the biggest threat to the web that we loved for s…

I assume the goal is to make sure that people never remember the URL and always use Google to get anywhere. Most people probably already do, but maybe increasing their number from 80% to 90% is still worth it. If this is indeed the real motivation, the next obvious target would be bookmarks. What can be done about them? Replace the bookmarked URLs by Google queries? It would be an interesting functionality if Google…

Don't give them any ideas.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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I'm already annoyed by the hassle it has become to copy a substring of the URL into the clipboard, due to the schemes being hidden. Nothing has been won by hiding http(s):// as well as the www subdomain.

Them acting like this is some kind of user experience thing is the most insulting part.

Most user experiences aren't the same as developer user experience.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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would you care if you went to mybank.com.sketchysite.us?

Bad analogy. AMP is a Google content proxying technology, and Google isn't generally understood to be a "sketchy site." Users with the level of paranoia that puts Google in the "untrusted site" space should be sidestepping this whole conversation by avoiding using the browser Google develops regardless of what Google does to its URL bar.

> AMP is a Google content proxying technology, and Google isn't generally understood to be a "sketchy site."

The whole idea of AMP pages is sketchy by default, as it's Google taking content from websites run by news media outlets and hosting it on their own servers so they have even more control over user-tracking.

In the long term, this has the potential to further centralize the Internet, something the Internet was never meant to be.

It's not that difficult to imagine a future where news media won't even host their own stuff anymore but instead outsource it all to Google.

Very comparable to how Facebook has become the de-facto place for small businesses, with little to no IT knowledge, to have their own little web-presence.

Which has certain advantages, but it's dangerous to belittle the very real disadvantages that kind of centralization of content will have in the long term.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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The quality of Firefox on Windows as software is much to be desired. Due to slow loading, I'm considering whatever they call the Microsoft browser today.

For what it's worth I don't experience slow loading with Firefox on Windows, or any notable slowdown in any way.

I definitely do. FF being perceivably slower than Chrome continues to keep me off it.
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