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Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Firefox isn't free either. It's just paid for by Google.

That doesn't mean it's behavior is the same.

True, but then I’m not sure Mozilla would be able to survive if Google stopped their deal with them due to say, adding ad-blocking to Firefox by default. Not the same, but it certainly influences the direction of FF.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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I'd personally prefer if ot wasn't hidden but after first hamd experiencing non tech savvy family members trying to decipher the query part and some accusing someone of trying to hack them I'm for the change. The whole query string philosophy is such an outdated hack. Today it's just thousands of tracking qieries. What I hate is how poorly they worded when websites use http instead of https. It says "connection not s…

If you dumb down users, they become dumber.

People should not educate themselves on the details of implementation of the browser or internet as much as they don't educate themselves about the details of the car. We have many other complex systems with simple end user goals and people don't have to care about the details. The Americans don't even have the gear shift

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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A common convention with system administrators is to have the canonical name at www.* and redirect www-less requests to the former. If you argue that a browser implementation should fix uncommon configurations, I would argue that administrators should fix their configurations in the first place. You don’t have this issue at all for domains that don’t have a www subdomain. Furthermore it would be extremely confusing t…

Yeah, I don't like the current trend to redirect www to root. You can easily doing simple dns-based load balancing by having multiple ip addresses on the www subdomain. You can't do that on root domain, you'll have to use a dedicated load balancer even if all you want is just simple load balancing among a small set of servers. It only benefit cloud vendors and hurt hobbyist/small website operators if this trend conti…

If we could ever be bothered to implement SRV records for http then load balancing and failover could be significantly more straightforward and robust, without worrying about root vs. www at all.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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If you're relying on bug reports to find why a page is broken you're in for a bad time because 99% of the time the user isn't going to report anything. They're just going to think your page is broken and stop using it. Use a telemetry and error reporting service like Sentry or Rollbar. These services can strip sensitive data on the client before it gets logged.

How can I tell you don't work in IT? Almost all companies including mine have ONE site to choose from to do any one thing. If it doesn't work, they either ask their colleagues (which only works if it's not the first time someone is using this around them) or create a ticket for IT.

I've been a web developer for about 25 years. I can assure you if something doesn't work the users usually won't raise a ticket. They'll work around the problem. On the occasions when they do raise a ticket it'll usually contain minimal information. Having a telemetry system to correlate it against gives you some information to use to debug the problem. That's helpful.

Understanding that users have more important things to do than spend time on bug reports is an important lesson to learn. If you can gather data without relying on someone whose job is to worry about other things then you will make everyone's life easier.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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If their goal is really to help detect fraudulent sites (the sorts of google.com.notahacker.tk), they can just show the domain in a more prominent way -- they're already deemphasizing the part of the URL after the domain name anyway. This is clearly not their motive. What Google is trying to do here is to drift the web from its most iconic components: the URL. This is the biggest threat to the web that we loved for s…

The URL bar takes up a huge amount of screen real estate and is a piece of information that the user almost never needs once they have confirmed they navigated successfully to the desired page. Developers are a special case user and capable of handling advanced UIs that hide information until it is needed. It's iconic but it's a UI space resource hog. To improve browser experience, sometimes one has to be willing to…

I'm sorry to say, but your a bit naive if you think they're doing it for cosmetic reasons.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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While this might be useful for a casual user, hidden URLs are a huge problem for web developers. Asking for a screenshot from client is not enough, now I'll have to provide additional instructions how to copy/paste full URL when reporting issues. Not to mention all possible problems with misconfigured servers when www and www-less domains lead to same website, but some script refuses to work on one of those. While it…

I'm already annoyed by the hassle it has become to copy a substring of the URL into the clipboard, due to the schemes being hidden. Nothing has been won by hiding http(s):// as well as the www subdomain.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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I actually wouldn't mind if the URL bar was replaced with a breadcrumb bar on some sites, like news and forums. Imagine something like Example.com > Worldnews > 2020 > 06 > 14 > Big aquatic monster spotted outside of Tokyo or forum.example.com > Sport > Football > Spain > Real Madrid It could then work like in Explorer in Windows 10, where you can press one of the breadcrumb separators and see a menu with siblings, o…

I really dislike any attempt to modify strings like this. I find it invariably causes problems in edge cases. What if a site handles slashes differently to how Google expects? Where do GET arguments go? What if I want to modify the URL? Breadcrumbs are great when each part is navigable, but does example.com/worldnews/2020/06 actually lead anywhere, or is it an invalid address for the site? I have absolutely no interest in Google being allowed to dictate what should and should not be a valid address.

Probably worse than the change itself, though, is the tendency of anyone who makes such a change to start playing fast and loose with actually representing the underlying address. You mention Windows 10's address bar - it's one of the worst offenders. My Windows Explorer is currently sitting in my downloads folder, which is at "C:\Users\Wyatt\Downloads". The address bar reads "This PC > Downloads". When I click on the address bar to edit the address, it changes to just "Downloads". What part of all of this is in any way useful to me or the likely action I'm trying to take when I click on the address bar?

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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That's bullshit, it's not an attempt to help anybody but Google. What better way to keep people on AMP pages, than to make them so ignorant as to not even know how to tell the difference?

Whats wrong with AMP pages?

I don’t click on a search result to read google.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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It's the most common because devs optimize for it. That's a Catch 22 you can't break out of if you continue to optimize for it, an infinite loop.

Yes. That is network effect. As the smaller vendor, it's incumbent upon Mozilla to break it. Expecting individual devs to do it collectively when it really isn't in their selfish interests is waiting for a unicorn to appear.

> As the smaller vendor, it's incumbent upon Mozilla to break it.

That's kind of impossible to do for a smaller vendor without wider developer cooperation.

I remember Mozilla only started to breach IE's dominance once devs were so sick of IE that they installed Firefox on their mom's computer despite tons of sites being made for IE.

It's possible for something like it to happen again with Chrome, but less likely since Google's a lot smarter and not too lazy to implement latest tech, so it will sure take longer without some activism and evangelism from web devs.

> expecting individual devs to do it collectively when it really isn't in their selfish interests is waiting for a unicorn to appear

Selfishness is a lot more complicated thing than people give it credit for. A lot of 'selfless' acts could be alternatively described as selfish in that it makes one feel good. Free software developers already do a lot of work for the wider community, where probably it would be a lot easier to just use the proprietary, already feature-rich, counterpart than trying to develop a libre alternative. But the movement understands that long-term, having as much free software as possible is what will in the end help preserve general-purpose computing in the sea of silos. It takes some discipline, sure, but long-term it's actually in one's selfish self-interest.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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> A casual user might not even know what a URL is. And this will add a few extra hoops for them to jump through before they learn, so that they'll never have to leave the reassuring embrace of Google's ad trackers. How convenient. :)

I mean... not to be contrarian but does the average user need to know a URL? Do I need to know an address to drive my car somewhere? My knowledge that a place exists and I want to go there is sufficient to get me there, without having the physical address memorized. As a power-user I obviously navigate through URL far more than the average user, but I am not convinced that say a 50 year old nurse using my web softwar…

Maybe a slightly better analogy: with the URL, if you know your address, you can go straight there. With a car/driving, it would be like instant teleportation. Not knowing the URL means using Google search, and not knowing the street address means driving around and seeing a bunch of billboards. Removing the URL bar is like removing the ability to teleport so you can make sure people see the billboards.
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