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Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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Post by xorcist »

tom_mellior wrote: post #83
xorcist wrote: post #60

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Please take care when your Internet nutritionist calls ketosis a "fat-burning state". While true, it's also a lot like calling the Internet a "photon transport mechanism". If you experiment with such things, make sure you get the whole picture and is otherwise healthy. Ask anyone with diabetes why.

Vague hints to "get the whole picture" or to "educate yourself" without pointing to approved sources are always bad moves in Internet discussions. But here especially: Skimming the top 10 DuckDuckGo results for "ketosis fat-burning", I'm getting the impression that you would not approve of most of them.

It should not be of interest to others what I personally would approve of. I don't hand out nutritionist advice on the Internet.

The body is an amazing machine. It's still a good idea to at least try to understand the basic processes before making experiments on it. At least understand how ketosis works and why it isn't our default mode of metabolism.

While there certainly are people who feel that it is helping them, others would be actively hurt by it. Results on one individual can not be extrapolated into some sort of universal cure. The fact that such advice can be readily found on the Internet anyway probably shouldn't come as a surprise though.

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Post by theelous3 »

Roritharr wrote: post #105
theelous3 wrote: post #102

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"I only eat dollar store steak and your body needs calories so your taste will adapt." You can say this about literally any food. Nonsense.

As a German... do.. do your dollar stores actually have steaks? Scary thought.

I'm not actually American, just pandering examples to the audience. A pound shop is what we call them in Ireland. Americans wouldn't know what that is.

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Post by theelous3 »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #120
theelous3 wrote: post #100

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This just isn't true. It might be true for your coffee and or how you make it, but a good barista could make a black coffee any form of coffee drinker would like, be it a tea-like fruity filter, clean espresso, whatever. If you don't believe me, you've never been to a good enough cafe. It's unbelievable, the variety of black coffees.

First things first, most folks don't have access to a lot of fine coffee simply because of the cost barrier. Really, you have to work with the stuff that is more often available to people - and for most, that is grocery store coffees of different sorts. The only 'cafe' I had access to with any regularity was Starbucks in the US, and that hardly counts. Small-to-medium sized Indiana towns aren't exactly known for thei…

I mean, I wouldn't trust most bariatas to make a good coffee, let alone myself with an advent calendar. May if you go to norway you might change your mind.

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Post by theelous3 »

peteretep wrote: post #114
theelous3 wrote: post #102

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"I only eat dollar store steak and your body needs calories so your taste will adapt." You can say this about literally any food. Nonsense.

If you remove predicates (“it’s addictive”) you can reduce anything to the absurd

I didn't remove it I replaced it with needing calories. It's not reductionist to point out that some things are better than others, even when you're used to the worse option.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

johnchristopher wrote: post #109
pwdisswordfish2 wrote: post #6

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Apnea can lead to binge eating, so it may be the apenea was in part responsible for gaining the 45 lbs!

> Apnea can lead to binge eating How so ?

Not OP.

I've an issue with sleep related binge-eating: fullness induces sleepiness, so when I'm awake at night and want to be asleep I'll eat - basically an extra meal. Alcohol too. For me the root issue is other mental health problems.

Sleep problems can readily lead to weight gain.

I can see how apnoea that exhibits as waking up a lot might lead someone attempting to fall into heavier sleep by overeating.

IF, paired with lots of exercise, was working for me before the current crisis.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

chx wrote: post #5

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-05/esoe-cif0516... warns you intermittent fasting diets could increase diabetes risk. I wish I had data from before but after I attempted intermittent fasting I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. It's possible I had it before, I alas haven't had blood work done for a few years prior. I changed my diet, never attempted fasting again and the 6.8 HbA1c dropped to and stayed…

This https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23516479 contradicts your assertion, I don't know which of you is right.

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Post by mft_ »

andi999 wrote: post #90
noneeeed wrote: post #44

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Likewise. I think it's true for a lot of people. Its why pregnant women are told not to drink alcohol at all. The reality is that the liver is amazing and can remove low levels of it so well that a small amount of drinking is fine. The problem is that it's really hard to a) effectively communicate what the safe level is b) get people to stick to it. It's much easier to avoid it entirely.

Well, it has to be in the blood first to get metabolized by the liver, so the unborn gets some. But as you say, a little wont probably matter. I was shocked how big an effect licoriice has (finnish study), before I read the stud, I thought they found something signific but not relevant. Reading the study changed my perspective and i am wondering why there are no warning labels

Everything absorbed by the gut goes through the liver before it reaches the systemic circulation.

This doesn’t necessarily invalidate your overall point (that a foetus may be exposed to some alcohol, as it depends on how efficient the first-pass metabolism of alcohol is) but it does impact your logic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_pass_effect

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Post by bfieidhbrjr »

m0zg wrote: post #101
tom_mellior wrote: post #57

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> Adding ghee or coconut oil in black coffee means it’s no longer effectively zero calories, and this is not technically fasting. I guess it depends on how you choose to define your "technical" terms. For example ( https://www.bulletproof.com/diet/bulletproof-diet/bulletproo... ): "The technical definition of “fasting” describes not consuming a single calorie. When your body isn’t burdened with the task of digestion…

> it has a chance to carry out cleaning and repair processes that make you healthier Sounds like Goop-grade quack science to me. :-)

It isn't.

You can read books about fasting or do the autophagy class on EdX. Professor in Tokyo got a Nobel for outlining the mechanisms a few years ago.

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Post by johnchristopher »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #125
johnchristopher wrote: post #109

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> Apnea can lead to binge eating How so ?

Not OP. I've an issue with sleep related binge-eating: fullness induces sleepiness, so when I'm awake at night and want to be asleep I'll eat - basically an extra meal. Alcohol too. For me the root issue is other mental health problems. Sleep problems can readily lead to weight gain. I can see how apnoea that exhibits as waking up a lot might lead someone attempting to fall into heavier sleep by overeating. IF, paire…

But sleep apnea doesn't wake you up enough to get out of bed and start eating like pulling all-nighters or insomnia do and going to sleep with a full belly won't prevent flesh/muscle collapsing that causes sleep apnea although I can see how the body burning energy to digest + endorphin from a good meal might help falling asleep faster.

> IF, paired with lots of exercise, was working for me before the current crisis.

You mean the pandemic/lockdown ?

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Post by peteretep »

theelous3 wrote: post #124
peteretep wrote: post #114

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If you remove predicates (“it’s addictive”) you can reduce anything to the absurd

I didn't remove it I replaced it with needing calories. It's not reductionist to point out that some things are better than others, even when you're used to the worse option.

OK sure. If you remove one predicate and change it with something completely different, you can invalidate any assertion. gg
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