what are people calling it instead of master / slave ?
On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)
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Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a great example of my point about "one or two people who are trying to be provocative". It's pretty obvious to anyone reading it that you are just explicitly trying to manufacture an issue.
Of course, I'm trying to prove a point, that's why I asked you: how many people do I need to say "me too" before it is an issue? Avoiding the answer makes me believe that your position is essentially "it's an issue if I agree with the people, otherwise it's just provocateurs". That's fine of course, but it's really just "it is whatever I say it is" and all the stuff about feelings, offense and people are just charade…
No charades, context matters. The context surrounding your question lets me know where you're coming from and that it's not a legitimate question. If I didn't have that context, I might try to learn more about the issue. I also might not since the two scenarios are not equivalent: posting a comment on HN is not the same as stewarding a large community-involved open source project. Again, context matters.
Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)
#123This is a newer post about the topic but was flagged. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23485533
Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where do you think the master slave name comes from? Masters give the orders. Slaves follow the master. Slaves get all the heavy work. Slaves take the beating. Its tone deaf to ignore this as why it might be offensive to some of your coworkers. And in any case, the name is vague at best anyway. Write db, read db, primary, replica, leader, follower, marshal, worker. All better, more descriptive names for various maste…
> Its tone deaf to ignore this as why it might be offensive to some of your coworkers. I'm speculating: you believe it's a problem for African Americans, but e.g. not for Polish Americans, right? I'm trying to understand your thought process here, because the word slave literally (literally literally, I'm not making this up) stems from Slavic people that were captured by Romans.
On the topic of romans and meanings changing, the word decimation used to mean the killing of one in ten in the Roman legions as a way to get military discipline. Nowadays there is no connection to Roman legions nor killing and actually is used to refer as a synonimous to anyhalation in general. It annoys me this slave thing because racism or xenophobia are often very complex and real problems of disaffection and social innequality yet we are policing words as if it has any corrective impact.
Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. There is widespread discrimination in the media against politically incorrect people. Political incorrectness is part of my personal identity. I didn't choose to be born careless, it's a natural tendency that I have. I'm sorry I wasn't born as an easily offended person. I don't get offended by other people's words and I don't expect other people to be offended by my words either. Does that make me a bad perso…
I can see that my comment was downvoted a lot. I suspect that this is because only offended people vote at all. This down-voting is real discrimination. It offends and hurts me for real in a profound way. How would you down-voters feel if I downvoted you for expressing an idea which captures the essence of who you are? I struggle with this issue for real, every day of my life. People don't take introverted, unopinion…
What does offended even mean really? What if someone just thinks your views are not constructive? (I haven't voted either way on any of your comments, but/although I support these easy changes.)
Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)
#126Note that this is from 2018. I personally totally agree with the author. Anyone who chooses to be offended by words used in a totally different context is doing exactly that - choosing to be offended. If we keep going down this path of endless meaningless virtue signalling, where will we stop? Is the term "black hole" racist too? What about blackout? Etc, etc. No one really cares about these terms and it they do thei…
Agreed. There is widespread discrimination in the media against politically incorrect people. Political incorrectness is part of my personal identity. I didn't choose to be born careless, it's a natural tendency that I have. I'm sorry I wasn't born as an easily offended person. I don't get offended by other people's words and I don't expect other people to be offended by my words either. Does that make me a bad perso…
I'm gonna give you the benefit of a response coz I don't think it's helpful to express disagreement through a downvote without attempting to explain why.
> I don't get offended by other people's words and I don't expect other people to be offended by my words either.
You shouldn't expect other people to feel the same way as you either. You can't decide how offended someone should be, as that's their own reaction to you. It might seem extreme or overboard to you, but how much do you know about them to judge that?
> Does that make me a bad person?
That's not really the question to be asked if we're talking like mature adults, because this isn't anywhere close to as simple as being 'good' or 'bad' (whatever that even means).
Which is all to say, sure... you're fine to be a naturally born careless person, as much as a cop-out that actually is to hand-wave everything away with "it's just who I am," or "I tell it like it is!". It's fine for other people to think you're an asshole for it, and if I were you I'd grab my friends over a drink or something and ask an honest question: "how do I generally come across to you?". Prepare to possibly have your feelings hurt.
And the reason why I say that is because you come across as quite casual and dismissive about people getting aggravated with you when talking about things, and maybe you're not listening to what they're actually saying.
Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where do you think the master slave name comes from? Masters give the orders. Slaves follow the master. Slaves get all the heavy work. Slaves take the beating. Its tone deaf to ignore this as why it might be offensive to some of your coworkers. And in any case, the name is vague at best anyway. Write db, read db, primary, replica, leader, follower, marshal, worker. All better, more descriptive names for various maste…
This kind of pretend action is worse than doing nothing - because not only you feel better about yourself and don't do anything actually useful - you also discourage people who actually want to do something about the real problem. This is the reason people think liberalism and social justice is a meme. This exact shit. Besides - do you know where the word "slave" comes from? It comes from Slavic word "słowo" which me…
Master/slave
Im not talking about where words come from, im talking about where and why it was applied to the master slave database concept when primary/replica or write/read actually conveys far more meaning off the bat.
Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. There is widespread discrimination in the media against politically incorrect people. Political incorrectness is part of my personal identity. I didn't choose to be born careless, it's a natural tendency that I have. I'm sorry I wasn't born as an easily offended person. I don't get offended by other people's words and I don't expect other people to be offended by my words either. Does that make me a bad perso…
I can see that my comment was downvoted a lot. I suspect that this is because only offended people vote at all. This down-voting is real discrimination. It offends and hurts me for real in a profound way. How would you down-voters feel if I downvoted you for expressing an idea which captures the essence of who you are? I struggle with this issue for real, every day of my life. People don't take introverted, unopinion…
If you are born careless and not easily offended, why would the downvotes affect you?
There seems to be some inherent conflict in your statements. If you have no opinions, then you take no stand. Why should people take you seriously? I believe that you have strong opinions about people should act and feel (No one should get offended because you do not get offended by a particular statement) and that comes across as very callous.
Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where do you think the master slave name comes from? Masters give the orders. Slaves follow the master. Slaves get all the heavy work. Slaves take the beating. Its tone deaf to ignore this as why it might be offensive to some of your coworkers. And in any case, the name is vague at best anyway. Write db, read db, primary, replica, leader, follower, marshal, worker. All better, more descriptive names for various maste…
> Its tone deaf to ignore this as why it might be offensive to some of your coworkers. I'm speculating: you believe it's a problem for African Americans, but e.g. not for Polish Americans, right? I'm trying to understand your thought process here, because the word slave literally (literally literally, I'm not making this up) stems from Slavic people that were captured by Romans.
I dont believe it is a problem, you're misrepresenting my statement.
I said it is easy to see why it might be offensive. I am in no position to discern that but I also dont give a shit about what term you use, and its dated anyway. Further more, i find it trite to waste energy on these "decisive", and small sound bite sized issues that mean absolutely nothing to the vast majority of people.
Im discussing the use of the term master/slave in the context of a database master slave setup where one database has to take orders from another.
And you think its cute to "speculate" maybe im talking about where the word slave comes from? Opposed to, how it may or may not offend those with a cultural history of 400 years of slavery.
That is extremely disingenuous.
Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)
#130Note that this is from 2018. I personally totally agree with the author. Anyone who chooses to be offended by words used in a totally different context is doing exactly that - choosing to be offended. If we keep going down this path of endless meaningless virtue signalling, where will we stop? Is the term "black hole" racist too? What about blackout? Etc, etc. No one really cares about these terms and it they do thei…
I'm surprised to see your comment is voted up to the top place. The moment I read your comment, I could imagine what people would say with outrage: tone deaf; you just don't care; you're a racist so you don't see the racism in such oppressive language; if someone feels offended, then the language is offensive so we must take it out; if you're not with us, the you're against us, etc and etc.
I personally always wonder where the boundary is for such demand of total conformity. Anyone who's familiar with The French Revolution and The Chinese Cultural Revolution will be cautious, to say the least, because it is so easy to see how much evil was done in the name of righteousness. That said, I find it hard to argue about the framework of this second-international-like movement. After all, you're tone-deaf if you deny that a phrase may be offensive to even one person, right? Moral high ground, well, is a high ground.