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Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by beerandt »

dmoy wrote: post #542
latencyloser wrote: post #380

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That's just a plate carrier, with no plates in it. It won't stop a bullet, definitely not a rifle round. Maybe he has some soft armor jammed in there but doubtful based on the rest of his "I bought this from the local gunstore 3 days ago setup."

You cannot buy a semiautomatic rifle in 3 days in WA. There is a minimum 10 day waiting period. You could buy the pieces and build it yourself, but you'd need some tooling.

What's the waiting period on rifles looted out of stores, cop cars, and police buildings?

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by omniscient_oce »

mcv wrote: post #424
drevil-v2 wrote: post #375

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Seattle police chief said on TV [1] that "Rapes, robberies and all sorts of violent acts have been occurring in the area and we're not able to get to [them]." Doesn’t sound very utopian [1] https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1271291958296604675?s=2...

Wasn't it the police who abandoned this area in the first place? The impression I'm getting from this and other events from the past weeks is that the police would like us to believe that without them, society turns to chaos, but in practice, US police turns out to be a major source of chaos, and without them things often turn much more peaceful. I'm not saying there should be no police at all, but that police should…

Have you seen the looting videos where streets of NYC got ransacked ?

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by MR4D »

pera wrote: post #322
MR4D wrote: post #242

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It looks....empty. Thanks for taking these - looks nothing like the media portrays it. BTW - love the church picture (I think it’s the one in Spain?)

Thanks! I'm not sure which one you are referring to (maybe Sagrada Familia?) but yeah, they are all in Catalonia :)

Sagrada. Very cool church. Must have been fun to photograph.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by loeg »

shpongled wrote: post #794
loeg wrote: post #640

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> Automatic rifles in the US are much, much more difficult and expensive to acquire than one would think--tens of thousands of dollars usually Clarification: to acquire legally . It is not nearly that expensive black market.

Yeah, not that expensive to get illegally if you're fine with the ATF shooting your wife and dog.

For sure there are negative externalities; I wouldn't recommend it! I also wouldn't recommend dumping new car money into a legal automatic weapon.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by rayiner »

thu2111 wrote: post #348
gabesk wrote: post #253

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I'm also about that far away and walked through there last night. It felt more like a summer street fair festival. I also took a few pictures. https://photos.app.goo.gl/UN8RpwWS5TYAY5Nn7

But then there's also this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyClgU4AEJnWf?format=jpg&name=... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyCmMUEAEn_1o?format=jpg&name=... I've not before seen a summer street festival where armed militias wearing bulletproof vests patrol the streets.

This is the point of the Second Amendment: for when people feel safer with random dudes in bulletproof vests and AR-15s providing security than they do with the police.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by rayiner »

dgellow wrote: post #403
jakelazaroff wrote: post #392

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I truly don't understand the problem here. Can you tell me what it is that makes these people dangerous and scary, but the similarly armed protestors who showed up at government buildings a month ago — or, frankly, the police — fine?

You draw a false dichotomy. Nobody in this thread said that armed protestors or the police aren't scary.

Armed protesters aren’t scary. The fact that armed protesters managed to occupy a statehouse was confirmation that we still live in America.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by shpongled »

loeg wrote: post #834
shpongled wrote: post #794

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Yeah, not that expensive to get illegally if you're fine with the ATF shooting your wife and dog.

For sure there are negative externalities; I wouldn't recommend it! I also wouldn't recommend dumping new car money into a legal automatic weapon.

Just think of the ammo costs!

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by rantwasp »

hoten wrote: post #321
joshuamorton wrote: post #279

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There have been lots of mid-sized political wins for these protests. Breanna's law, Minneapolis defunding it's police, etc. It's sustained distributed action, and some of it is not real (the NYC chokehold ban), but there's still real stuff happening.

None of that is a result of CHAZ.

how do you know / make that claim?

i guess i might be in a minority but the large scale protests led to these outcomes.

most politicians don’t give a flying forest for an isolated protest that happens all the way across the country. now if this happens in your backyard you pay attention.

so i would say that the protests in Seattle and the emergence of CHAZ did contribute to some of the outcomes (present and future ones). it’s really easy to be cynic and write off the efforts of people that are, in a sense, helping to write history.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by mrep »

boomfus wrote: post #648
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #502

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> Maybe more money should be diverted to training and wages, and less to equipment and vehicles? The police in my town make more than I do. NYPD officers make way more than I do and get sweet benefits I will never enjoy. In return they act petulant and ignore their duties whenever someone forces them to apply less than brutal tactics to non-threatening people. They need comprehensive retraining and removal of the pro…

85k for almost 6 years of experience in New York is pretty severely underpaid. https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/careers/police-officers/po-be...

How so? The median individual income in New York City is $50,825 [0].

[0]: https://smartasset.com/retirement/average-salary-in-nyc#:~:t....

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by jakelazaroff »

zeveb wrote: post #384
cma wrote: post #284

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Fox is by far the most popular news channel in the US and pretty close to bigger than the rest combined.

I was all set to post a comment about how I dream of an honestly fair and balanced news channel, unlike Fox, CNN or MSNBC. I was going to post some outrageous headlines from each site right now. Surprisingly, the front page of foxnews.com was pretty sane and sober, remarkably so — and by far better than cnn.com or msnbc.com. I am honestly stunned. I really expected Fox News to be as much of a dumpster fire as CNN or…

I didn’t catch this when I looked yesterday, but apparently they photoshopped an image of a person holding a gun into an image of the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone [0]. “Fair and balanced” indeed.

[0] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/fox-news-...

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