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On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

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Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

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Post by microswan »

prepend wrote: post #25
brianwawok wrote: post #3

I suspect this is one of those topics that at some point, everyone will have just switched terms because it's not worth the hassle to fight these fights over and over again. Kind of a "I'm not wrong, but is it a good use of 20 hours a year to argue about this?"

I agree and keep a set of topics that just aren’t worth the mental anguish to discuss. The list started in the 90s where every single time circumcision was brought up, it devolved into a few people who commented more and more while the rest of the participants commented less. I’ve wondered how this affects actual opinions but can’t talk about it. I also wonder what other topics I haven’t noticed but others have check…

This is the primary reason I no longer have accounts on "social media" (e.g., Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc.). It's not only exhausting. It's dangerous. It takes one minor misstep in the eyes of another and you're faced with a torrent of misconstrued, misinformed people pushing a narrative that you're a horrible person. Next, you've lost your job, business, or worse. And it's only getting worse now that the idea "silence is complicity" is becoming popular.

Nope, no thanks. I'll see myself out.

I know a lot of people dislike anonymity because trolls and bad actors abuse it. However, it also means voices like mine, who strive to operate in good faith, get lost.

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

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Post by mnm1 »

Words can have more than one meaning. Are Americans that stupid they can't understand this? Good to the author for standing up to this stupidity and bullying. His points are spot on. Clearly most don't agree and they are wrong. Imposing American culture onto others could be considered racist. I'd say "Mark" is the real racist and the real asshole in this story. Not to mention extremely stupid, a bully, one who doesn't respect anyone's culture, and one who is actively supporting racism by accusing others of it because they use master slave terminology in a fucking db. What insane absurdity. Only in America could such stupidity flourish and once again we export the worst of our culture and try to brow beat all other cultures into accepting it by force.

In the meantime, we do almost nothing to address racism at home. All the protests have achieved what exactly other than spreading corona? Will the drug war end? Will policing be drastically different? Will black people have better opportunities? No. And no amount of brow beating open source developers will get any closer to any of those goals. Quite the opposite. But hey, we can pretend that we are addressing racism. That's what Americans are best at: PR and marketing. We'll pretend for awhile and things will go back to the way they were sadly.

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

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Post by luckylion »

ianwalter wrote: post #109
luckylion wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It doesn't matter if YOU don't think it's offensive. It's about how others think and feel about it. The name ianwalter offends me, please change it. > And the slippery slope argument doesn't hold water because it's very obvious when a good number of people have a problem with it vs one or two people who are trying to be provocative. How many people do I need for you to change your name because it offends us? Or is…

This is a great example of my point about "one or two people who are trying to be provocative". It's pretty obvious to anyone reading it that you are just explicitly trying to manufacture an issue.

Of course, I'm trying to prove a point, that's why I asked you: how many people do I need to say "me too" before it is an issue?

Avoiding the answer makes me believe that your position is essentially "it's an issue if I agree with the people, otherwise it's just provocateurs". That's fine of course, but it's really just "it is whatever I say it is" and all the stuff about feelings, offense and people are just charades because you don't want to say that.

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

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Post by xrd »

Muromec wrote: post #47

Could I take a moment to be offended by the mere existence of the word “slave” and it being used in historical discussion about forced labor and treating people as property, on behalf of all slavic people? It’s ridiculous that Americans appropriate the name of my people to deal with the problems of their own society.

I know you are just trying to make a point, but then, shouldn't we point out that Americans didn't invent English nor the concept of slavery?

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

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Post by eterps »

x3haloed wrote: post #105
eterps wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The project maintainer absolutely has the right to choose not to remove offensive language. What offensive language has been communicated in this case? > What is he really fighting for? Wasn't that clearly explained in the post? > The language is outdated and stems from a practice Outdated? Has the 'practice' you're referring to dissappeared? > from a practice that is universally shunned. What to think of people pr…

Nice attempt at deconstrivism. I will address a few of your points together: > What offensive language has been communicated in this case? > Outdated? Has the 'practice' you're referring to dissappeared? > What to think of people practicing BDSM? Or bioligists describing insect behaviour? Is their language offensive? I’m referring, obviously, to the language of “slave and master.” The practice of slavery, unfortunate…

Thanks for your reply, I'll have to give it more thought. I agree with most of it though.

> You and other proponents of leaving offensive language intact

I was/am actually in favor of removing said language because I want language to be welcoming towards people and people are clearly taking offense.

> And who has determined that is not an actual problem? Or that this is not effective or helpful? You?

No, I am in no way able to determine that. And I really hope it is helpful.

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

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Post by [deleted] »

cactus2093 wrote: post #110
IceDane wrote: post #18

Note that this is from 2018. I personally totally agree with the author. Anyone who chooses to be offended by words used in a totally different context is doing exactly that - choosing to be offended. If we keep going down this path of endless meaningless virtue signalling, where will we stop? Is the term "black hole" racist too? What about blackout? Etc, etc. No one really cares about these terms and it they do thei…

When you assert “nobody cares”, you’re just being a jerk. Lots of people do, you just don’t care. And your reduction ad absurdum argument is not convincing at all here. Yes it is possible to take this too far. Some people probably do take it too far. The concepts of light and dark are physical realities as in a black hole being the absence of reflected or emitted light. And they have long been used as metaphors for o…

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Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

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Post by mnm1 »

rmetzler wrote: post #20
dewey wrote: post #6

I've read about a bunch of these renaming efforts in the past weeks and I think some of these are very justified while some of them seem to take it further than necessary. The master/slave naming seems clearly outdated to me and this one is a direct reference to slavery. A better word like replica exists so I'm using that instead. This makes a lot of sense. On the other hand there's efforts to rename white/black list…

Thank you, that's exactly how I feel. I've got a Master of Science degree, should I feel bad about that? On the other hand, I second that "slave" is not a good terminology and trivializes real slavery, while a lot of words like "replica" or "worker" are more descriptive in a software context.

Should Slavic people now be required to change the name of their ethnicity too? I mean they are literally called slaves. Yup, let's force them to do that because we're being consistent now. No more Slavs. Let's call them replicas. Makes about as much sense as changing "master slave."

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

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Post by prepend »

microswan wrote: post #111
prepend wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree and keep a set of topics that just aren’t worth the mental anguish to discuss. The list started in the 90s where every single time circumcision was brought up, it devolved into a few people who commented more and more while the rest of the participants commented less. I’ve wondered how this affects actual opinions but can’t talk about it. I also wonder what other topics I haven’t noticed but others have check…

This is the primary reason I no longer have accounts on "social media" (e.g., Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc.). It's not only exhausting. It's dangerous. It takes one minor misstep in the eyes of another and you're faced with a torrent of misconstrued, misinformed people pushing a narrative that you're a horrible person. Next, you've lost your job, business, or worse. And it's only getting worse now that the idea "si…

For me, it just got boring. Every discussion was pre-ordained. Even simple “fun” stuff like Star Wars would devolve into the same pseudo argument, oppositionalist statements.

It’s not anonymity as Facebook is real people, who I think enjoy not being anonymous with getting internet points from people who enjoy it.

I think the issue is no social contract with me. They aren’t my friends so they don’t care so much about me. Private messenger groups with 20 people who know each other seems fine.

Interestingly, completely anonymous IRC on freenode results in good discussions.

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