I know this website has a penchant for anti-China everything, but it's funny because every terms of service I've ever read has something in it about complying with law enforcement about giving up data and terminating service. If you're against zoom doing this, I would expect you to be against every other company having this clause in their TOS.
Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at China's Request
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#302With China requests it’s a landline for all US based tech companies that needs to operate in China.
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#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surely it doesn’t come as a surprise to you that there exist in this world who no only don’t think like you... There are people in this world who are happy to write cigs than can be weaponised against those they disagree with. So in that sense, I’d suggest you’re wrong. Software Developers are not a homogeneous while who do or should think like you. Whether or not we agree that way of being is reprehensible is a diff…
We have international human rights, we could enforce companies to follow those guidelines everywhere if they want to do business on our own countries. Fact is that the US government puts money over the very human rights it’s supposed to believe in. The US isn’t alone in this of course, but it’s where the majority of international human rights infringement companies reside.
> Fact is that the US government puts money over the very human rights it’s supposed to believe in
Big ol' citation needed.
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#304“The reality is Zoom operates in more than 80 countries and continues to expand, which requires compliance with local laws even as Zoom seeks to promote the open exchange of ideas.“ This kind of rationalization isn’t just a problem with Zoom, Apple does the same thing - blocking podcasts and other apps in the Chinese market (also the Taiwan flag emoji). This is wrong. What’s legal and what’s right are not the same th…
The alternative is to not be in China at all. The problem with that of course, if that the softwares that do comply will suddently win an unfair market advantage against the ones taking a moral stand.
This. Google does this for a long time while competitors don't do this but weirdly Google isn't praised well in HN or other places.
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I'm against China here. But people should realize that the US law is almost forced to every online company/user.
1. Fuck the US government. 2. Fuck the Comunist Party of China. I don't fear for my life when saying the first statement, I've said it in the past on US soil. And I'm saying it right now on a US-based website. People fear for their lives when making the second statement, esp the Chinese. People wouldn't even be able to read it as it would get quickly censored. For this reason alone this whole discussion is completely…
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And the USA did allow violence against democratic organizers last week. But those same organizers weren't shipped to Guantanamo for indefinite periods of time for "reeducation." The USA suffers from some of what it accuses the PRC - it is still not the PRC.
Nobody is going to disagree that the US treats its citizens better, but we're talking about country's foreign influence here. China doesn't cripple the economy or bomb other countries they disagree with.
Do they not? They certainly were willing to outright invade a sovereign nation of mostly peaceful monks (Tibet) with ground forces, then claim the territory as its own, something I don't think the USA has done since Puerto Rico (the expansionism specifically).
They also challenge the sovereignty of Taiwan regularly - it was China who refused to allow two sovereign nations of Chinese origin when the UN switched the Chinese seat to the PRC.
Different countries different tools. The PRC has only really come into its element in the last 3 decades. The USA's foreign policy advocates-through-violence (CIA) don't have the best track record for success but they do have 80 years of experience. Give China time and I expect they'll start doing the same.
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#307“The reality is Zoom operates in more than 80 countries and continues to expand, which requires compliance with local laws even as Zoom seeks to promote the open exchange of ideas.“ This kind of rationalization isn’t just a problem with Zoom, Apple does the same thing - blocking podcasts and other apps in the Chinese market (also the Taiwan flag emoji). This is wrong. What’s legal and what’s right are not the same th…
Also, as absolutely reprehensible Apple's similar actions are, Zoom canceled _a US based account_ because of a Chinese request. It's one thing to be all "we comply with local laws", and another to enforce one country's geopolitical aspirations across international borders. Like, I think companies should take a stand and both aren't acceptable, but Zoom takes new, additional steps here.
I don’t remember anyone calling such actions reprehensible when people agree with laws in question (copyright, child porn, revenge porn, etc). Seems like hypocrisy on your side.
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#308I mean our Twitter and Facebook have been shutting down accounts from elected offices of NATO "targets" like Venezuela and Iran for a while now https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/12/us-pressure-social-media-... . I don't see people up in arms saying "legality is irrelevant".
> our Twitter and Facebook
Aren’t you a CCP member?
(Sorry in advance if you take offense to me assuming your nationality and political allegiance based on your comment history.)
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... but wouldn't all DC to DC traffic be over an encrypted site-to-site VPN anyway?
Google and Amazon have their own dedicated fiber between DC sites, but there was evidence that the NSA was still tapping it at some points. So they added encryption between the sites as an extra safeguard.
Not quite, they allowed NSA explicitly, and now they have their own decryption keys. Whereever did you get the idea google hid data from the nsa?
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it's because americans have a lot of money (collectively) that they can enjoy having high morals History disagrees with you. America was founded by people with high morals and no money.
> America was founded by people with high morals and no money. so slavery is high morals? There's some rose tinted glasses when looking thru history.
Slavery was not insturmental to the founding, nor was it the norm. Go reimagine history wit your personal bias somewhere else.