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Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by viraptor » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 1:51 AM UTC

baddox wrote: post #178

ab_c wrote: post #150

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Ooof. I'd hate to be around that guy if he was organizing a fundraiser. If he's passionate about a cause and notices that you didn't donate as much as he had hoped, does it give him the right to publicly shame you for it? It doesn't matter if it's for a good cause or not, that's 100% harassment. His tweet wasn't meant to encourage ppl to join his cause, his tweet was targeted at one person and meant to solicit others…

I've asked elsewhere in this thread, but what in his tweets do you consider to be public shaming? I don't see anything even remotely close to what I would call public shaming. There is also nothing remotely resembling a solicitation for others to attack.

Nobody's going to spell it out. If you announce someone doesn't support as much as you'd expect them to on a public forum, that will likely cause backlash. In that case either you did it in purpose, or caused it by not thinking of consequences of your actions.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by whymauri » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 1:54 AM UTC

dvtrn wrote: post #229

whymauri wrote: post #204

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But do you actually acknowledge them? I think this is fine if you're taking it to heart and actually internalizing the discussion a bit. Otherwise, it's disingenuous. Edit: this is very basic EQ and active listening, not sure why it's controversial to have good social skills.

Acknowleding someone’s opinions and feelings can be as simple as being quiet, letting them speak, giving them room to express themselves without interruption, objection objection or reprisal. You don’t need to automatically alter your course of action just to merely recognize and acknowledge something someone’s said, sometimes just shutting up and being deferential is enough. “Thank you for your opinion but I’m going…

OK, I think I'm getting this a bit more. I believe this is a healthy way to think about these topics. I just wasn't sure if you were encouraging people to participate in active listening or passive-aggressiveness. It's clear you're focused on the former which I find commendable.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by nomel » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 1:55 AM UTC

purple_ferret wrote: post #146

Grimm1 wrote: post #50

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Politics should be kept out of the workplace.

Normally sure, but when politicians are using your platform (paying you) to further their own narratives, it's fair game.

Personal politics, and hopefully politics in general, have nothing to do with the policies that result.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by philistine » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 1:56 AM UTC

baddox wrote: post #107

saagarjha wrote: post #94

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On the contrary, I think the electoral college was introduced precisely to ensure that the person who won the election was not who would win the popular vote.

That's certainly not the case. The electoral college was designed such that each state's legislature chooses how to attribute their electoral college votes. Many states in the first few presidential elections just had their state legislatures assign the votes. But still, I find it difficult to believe that the people who designed the electoral college would think it's okay that we held a national election, we got to…

Have you considered the idea that what the founding fathers believed is irrelevant?

Just asking, I'm not an american.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by cellularmitosis » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 1:56 AM UTC

baddox wrote: post #175

cellularmitosis wrote: post #160

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Yes, it was a private reply, which the facebook employee then outed publicly on twitter. >I asked @Vjeux to follow @reactjs's lead and add a statement of support to Recoil's docs and he privately refused, claiming open source shouldn't be political. That is 100% not ok.

Why is that not okay? Do you think that is sensitive private information? Or do you believe that no content of any private conversation should ever be publicized?

They could be privately supportive of Black Lives Matter, donate to bail funds, spread the word under anonymized accounts, etc. But they might also work/live in a deeply conservative office/neighborhood. Forcing their hand at going public with their support could get them fired, or get their ass kicked the next time they go to the bar or get pulled over by a cop.

And "find another job, then" isn't always practical, especially with marriage+kids+debt.

And yes, you should always ask for consent before making a private reply public.

I'm supportive of Black Lives Matter, but I don't think what OP did was ok.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by waheoo » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 1:57 AM UTC

NonEUCitizen wrote: post #212

mgleitub wrote: post #16

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Indeed -- here is some additional context that the article doesn't provide: The fired employee Tweeted today: >In the interest of transparency, I was let go for calling out an employee’s inaction here on Twitter. I stand by what I said. They didn’t give me the chance to quit [0] He then specifically cited [1] the Tweet in question that was the cause: >I asked @Vjeux to follow @reactjs's lead and add a statement of su…

Why push for a statement on Recoil docs instead of on the front page of FB?

Because bullies pick on people smaller than them.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by baddox » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 2:00 AM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #231

baddox wrote: post #178

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I've asked elsewhere in this thread, but what in his tweets do you consider to be public shaming? I don't see anything even remotely close to what I would call public shaming. There is also nothing remotely resembling a solicitation for others to attack.

Nobody's going to spell it out. If you announce someone doesn't support as much as you'd expect them to on a public forum, that will likely cause backlash. In that case either you did it in purpose, or caused it by not thinking of consequences of your actions.

That seems to imply that all public disagreement about a popular or controversial movement is "public shaming" and thus that you would oppose all such discussion.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by twblalock » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 2:00 AM UTC

baddox wrote: post #64

PiggySpeed wrote: post #21

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I'm starting a new job soon and I'm trying to figure out how I'll handle these "silence is complicit" characters. My personal policy is to not discuss political/social issues at work.

If you think that it's not true (that silence is not complicit), then shouldn't you attempt to explain that?

A workplace is not supposed to be a debating society.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by dk8996 » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 2:00 AM UTC

renaudg wrote: post #137

“I do get a sense sometimes now among certain young people, and this is accelerated by social media, there is this sense sometimes of: ‘The way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people, and that’s enough.” “Like, if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right or used the wrong verb, then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself, cause, ‘Man, you see how woke I w…

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Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by waheoo » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 2:01 AM UTC

baddox wrote: post #178

ab_c wrote: post #150

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Ooof. I'd hate to be around that guy if he was organizing a fundraiser. If he's passionate about a cause and notices that you didn't donate as much as he had hoped, does it give him the right to publicly shame you for it? It doesn't matter if it's for a good cause or not, that's 100% harassment. His tweet wasn't meant to encourage ppl to join his cause, his tweet was targeted at one person and meant to solicit others…

I've asked elsewhere in this thread, but what in his tweets do you consider to be public shaming? I don't see anything even remotely close to what I would call public shaming. There is also nothing remotely resembling a solicitation for others to attack.

You must be new to twitter. The whole thing is a solicitation for others to attack.