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Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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Post by arvinsim »

alexashka wrote: post #28

One day it'll dawn on people that we should provide infrastructure that guarantees safety and freedom, not walled gardens that provide safety and freedom only if it also happens to be profitable for somebody. There seem to be enough people who don't see this as self evident and are motivated to try and create their own walled gardens in the hopes of becoming the next rent seeker overlord. These types of posts never e…

> These types of posts never end - it's as if people refuse to let go of their naive belief that Apple or some other entity is fundamentally good, but just needs to be pleaded with a little more, to begin to act righteously.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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Post by zadokshi »

alexashka wrote: post #28

One day it'll dawn on people that we should provide infrastructure that guarantees safety and freedom, not walled gardens that provide safety and freedom only if it also happens to be profitable for somebody. There seem to be enough people who don't see this as self evident and are motivated to try and create their own walled gardens in the hopes of becoming the next rent seeker overlord. These types of posts never e…

We already have laws for this. Look up what “anti trust” is. The real question you should be asking is “why are anti trust rules not functioning properly” or why aren’t they being applied for this generation?

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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Post by m-ee »

saagarjha wrote: post #19
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #14

One nit to pick, Slack on iOS is apparently fully native: https://twitter.com/SlackHQ/status/931599784137363459 I think this shows, in my opinion, how little native vs. web/electron actually matters to overall quality. You can generally make a smooth, fast, bug-free app on any platform. Or not... I used to use the Android version and I was never quite sure whether it was native or not. I couldn't think of a way to te…

Slack on macOS is Electron. Slack on iOS is native, and their app wasn't actually all that bad until they redesigned it a couple months ago and made it really, really bad :(

I’m still not over the fact that notifications on my phone don’t clear when I view the message on my computer, and this is by design because of some other big fix. It’s been almost a year

https://www.reddit.com/r/Slack/comments/dfmuhj/issue_with_io...

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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Post by twhb »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #14

One nit to pick, Slack on iOS is apparently fully native: https://twitter.com/SlackHQ/status/931599784137363459 I think this shows, in my opinion, how little native vs. web/electron actually matters to overall quality. You can generally make a smooth, fast, bug-free app on any platform. Or not... I used to use the Android version and I was never quite sure whether it was native or not. I couldn't think of a way to te…

You can make a bad native app, but you can’t make a good Electron app.

Edit to add: Lots of people are mentioning Visual Studio Code. I agree it’s a good app in many dimensions; I didn’t mean to say that an Electron app can’t be good in some ways, even in the most important ways, but rather that Electron introduces flaws that prevent the app from being good in all ways. In particular, while faster than most Electron apps it’s still sluggish on old devices. It still loses track of files when renamed unless you do the rename through Visual Studio Code. The UI elements aren’t as polished as native let alone consistent with it, settings aren’t synced and backed up to iCloud, system-wide keyboard settings aren’t obeyed, Quick Look previews aren’t provided, etc. All of these problems were either introduced by Electron or made more difficult by it.

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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Post by freeone3000 »

frenchie14 wrote: post #33
LudwigNagasena wrote: post #30

>Allow us to charge a nominal fee to for major upgrades to our apps. Right now new versions either have to be made into all-new apps, or we have to give away all new versions for free. There’s no way to charge an upgrade free. If I buy a Mac or iPhone from Apple I can trade it in towards a new one when I upgrade, but users can’t do the same thing for software. All the developers I know are suffering right now because…

There's a model for going free -> paid. There's no model for going App V1 -> V2 with payment.

Could you have subsequent versions as individual IAPs, like DLCs for software?

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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Post by e40 »

As a new user to iOS (on Android since the OG Droid), I totally agree. I had to post on /r/iOS to find a Solitaire game that didn't have ads. I looked and looked and I couldn't find Solitaire City. It's not even ranked in the top 200 in its category. I tried like 20 Solitaire games and they all sucked or had ads. Terrible ads.

Honestly, I was shocked. I thought the App store would be better than Google Play Store, which I didn't think was that great, but I could usually find paid apps without ads.

Btw, I totally agree with his asks for the App store.

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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Post by josephg »

twhb wrote: post #54
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #14

One nit to pick, Slack on iOS is apparently fully native: https://twitter.com/SlackHQ/status/931599784137363459 I think this shows, in my opinion, how little native vs. web/electron actually matters to overall quality. You can generally make a smooth, fast, bug-free app on any platform. Or not... I used to use the Android version and I was never quite sure whether it was native or not. I couldn't think of a way to te…

You can make a bad native app, but you can’t make a good Electron app. Edit to add: Lots of people are mentioning Visual Studio Code. I agree it’s a good app in many dimensions; I didn’t mean to say that an Electron app can’t be good in some ways, even in the most important ways, but rather that Electron introduces flaws that prevent the app from being good in all ways. In particular, while faster than most Electron…

VS code is really good. Somehow it feels way better to program in than Xcode does.

But I don’t know any other electron apps that feel responsive. Slack, discord, Notion... all super simple apps which respond like molasses.

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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Post by dangus »

twhb wrote: post #54
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #14

One nit to pick, Slack on iOS is apparently fully native: https://twitter.com/SlackHQ/status/931599784137363459 I think this shows, in my opinion, how little native vs. web/electron actually matters to overall quality. You can generally make a smooth, fast, bug-free app on any platform. Or not... I used to use the Android version and I was never quite sure whether it was native or not. I couldn't think of a way to te…

You can make a bad native app, but you can’t make a good Electron app. Edit to add: Lots of people are mentioning Visual Studio Code. I agree it’s a good app in many dimensions; I didn’t mean to say that an Electron app can’t be good in some ways, even in the most important ways, but rather that Electron introduces flaws that prevent the app from being good in all ways. In particular, while faster than most Electron…

Only takes one counter-example to dismantle this method of thought.

...........VSCode

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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Post by p1necone »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #50
danielrhodes wrote: post #34

I was curious about the arguments for not including upgrade pricing on the App Store. Apple maintains that upgrade pricing is a relic of shrink wrapped software and subscriptions are better. I lean softly towards Apple on this one. A few reasons I can think of for why subscriptions are preferred over upgrade pricing: - The app developer can keep making money over a longer period of time. - Generally means somebody ca…

There's a lot of arguments one way or another - but the killer deal-breaker for many of us is the feeling of being held hostage: once you stop paying subscription, you typically don't get to "keep last paid version" - you loose application, and any files, data or artifacts that you created with it or would open/manipulate with it :-/ The other aspect is just how well we each feel we can keep track of and be disciplin…

I think the way Jetbrains does it is ideal - every chunk of 12 months you pay for with your subscription gives you permanent use of that version.
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