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Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Post by ratww »

Frost1x wrote: post #473

I can't help but notice the irony of this thread blowing up in popularity given that it's a Friday afternoon across most the US and during a pandemic with a lot of isolation, for an audience where the industry is largely populated by US males. Also quite humorous how it was removed from the front page shortly after even though much of the discussion was civil. Let's not discuss the hard problems folks, thats how we s…

It was probably removed from the front page because the number of comments is bigger than the number of votes, to avoid flamewars. I've seen this pattern happening over and over.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Post by watwut »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #467
watwut wrote: post #368

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> Males in the animal world fight to death for the right to pass down their genes. They actually don't. Such a thing would be on the rare side in animal world. The only exception would be spiders where he risks being eaten. Other then that, they either have basically hookups or woo lady while ignoring other guys.

>> Other then that, they either have basically hookups or woo lady while ignoring other guys. Only if "other guys" didn't have their own plans. A quick search: Bees fight to death over females http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8354000/835... Male Bison Fight for Harem Rights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4eOhuLDfeU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem_(zoology)

I said rare, did not said never. And typical animal sex does not involve fight for death among males. I don't mean typical as in slightly over 50%, but as in overwhelming majority.

Animals are way more likely to fight over food and such. Sex, not all that much and they have not that much reason to fight over that.

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Post by chrisjarvis »

A lot commenters here are blaming the sexual revolution for this trend, and I don't think that's the case (and its obviously a good thing women have more autonomy).

I look at the men I'm surrounded by in my life, generally intelligent people who are financially comfortable in their mid or late 20s and think to myself, "I wouldn't fuck any of these losers, either." The men of my generation are absolutely consumed by the drugs of the modern world; video games, porn, binge-watching low quality media, childish crap, unhealthy diets, etc. The great companies of the world benefit from this becoming the majority, a consumer who will never question the world around him.

Reject this nonsense, humans weren't designed to live in boxes, eating garbage and consuming media for 80 years. You don't need to fight in a war for your life to have purpose, there are battles to be fought and WON every day of your life. You, sitting there, are the product of millennia of genetic success, you have the tools to be great and I, personally, really want you to be.

Never get discourage! Always believe in yourself! And don't be afraid to ask for help!

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Post by awinder »

roosterdawn wrote: post #441
Nav_Panel wrote: post #398

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Yes. I think many people are missing the point, which is that all these failures of intimacy are downstream from failures of community, of sociality in general (cf. "Bowling Alone"). Our culture has shifted further toward valuing the individual over the group, which means that many individuals no longer have recourse to a group in order to find partners, friends, etc. Men are not just "not having sex", they are lonel…

> Our culture has shifted further toward valuing the individual over the group Further from where? For better or worse, America has always been a deeply individualist country. Is it maybe the case that now the less savory consequences of that are more visible than ever before?

America has oscillated between optimizing for individual vs. collective for its entire history. You can see heights of last collective-oriented generation around WW2 but similar eras followed the civil war and revolution.

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Post by maximente »

derrick_jensen wrote: post #252
codingslave wrote: post #210

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Its a zero sum game. When one side wins, the other side loses. Sexual freedom for women means essentially no sex for alot of men.

I'd argue that most men that won't have sex probably have some character issues they need to work out personally, or otherwise need to develop into somebody interesting. Dopamine hits from other places are more easy to come by, so it wouldn't surprise me that they just don't care enough, relative to their peers.

i actually think i'd reverse the cause and effect here: your 2nd sentence, i suspect, is driving the lack of effort, not what you said in your first sentence.

personally i think that super easily accessible pornography (immediate, on-demand insane dopamine bath, infinite novelty, super attractive partners, infinite variety, no potential for rejection, no need to worry about the other person, free, .....) and masturbation probably lead to most men to not even bother. worse, once you're on that cycle your brain gets tolerant so you go seeking more and more intensity and novelty (fetishes, etc.) that gets further and further away from "normal" romantic/sexual interactions that you probably think it'd be a waste of time even trying.

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Post by watwut »

cosmodisk wrote: post #475
watwut wrote: post #271

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It is interesting that you are simultaneously ressentful of women not dating men of their age and simultaneously happy about old men dating young women. Given that there are similar amount of girls and boys, this guarantees that younger men of next generation will have to compete with older men for same pool of women.

I don't resent women.I was simply stating the state of affairs.There are so many cases,where attractive, intelligent,and educated women do struggle to find a long term partner,even though 'on paper' they tick all the boxes, except that they are no longer in their 20s. As for older men chasing young women: I have no issue with that, as long as the the whole thing is mutually acceptable,which is essential in any health…

Then everything is ok? Young guys without partners can simply wait till they are older. Assuming bigger age gap in relationship remains as normalized, their time will come.

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Post by thrwaway69 »

chrisjarvis wrote: post #503

A lot commenters here are blaming the sexual revolution for this trend, and I don't think that's the case (and its obviously a good thing women have more autonomy). I look at the men I'm surrounded by in my life, generally intelligent people who are financially comfortable in their mid or late 20s and think to myself, "I wouldn't fuck any of these losers, either." The men of my generation are absolutely consumed by t…

I actually love this trend. Overpopulation is a disease. Hopefully more countries follow this.

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Post by onetimemanytime »

watwut wrote: post #502
onetimemanytime wrote: post #467

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>> Other then that, they either have basically hookups or woo lady while ignoring other guys. Only if "other guys" didn't have their own plans. A quick search: Bees fight to death over females http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8354000/835... Male Bison Fight for Harem Rights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4eOhuLDfeU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem_(zoology)

I said rare, did not said never. And typical animal sex does not involve fight for death among males. I don't mean typical as in slightly over 50%, but as in overwhelming majority. Animals are way more likely to fight over food and such. Sex, not all that much and they have not that much reason to fight over that.

what you said is written above.

>>Animals are way more likely to fight over food and such. Sex, not all that much and they have not that much reason to fight over that.

Everything boils down to sex, pass down those genes and insure that your offspring make it.

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Post by vowelless »

redisman wrote: post #273
vowelless wrote: post #84

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No. That extremism can be explained by oppressive sexual culture in general, not only polygamy (which is not as widespread as people think). You can’t even date. Many marry young for that reason.

And more powerful nations slicing up and occupying your country willy-nilly for centuries?

Not centuries; since Sykes Picot. The sexually repressive culture and extremism predates SP by centuries in fact.
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