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Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Post by michaelmrose »

luckylion wrote: post #429
michaelmrose wrote: post #337

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Them being defective is a problem we can only address by making mental health services more available not by fixing imaginary social problems. If you have ever talked with someone like this every one of them is someone who you would want to spend 10 seconds with their problem isn't done defect in women or society.

> Them being defective is a problem we can only address by making mental health services more available not by fixing imaginary social problems. I feel like 100% of your comments in this thread could be applied to any current social justice protests and they would be just as out of place, but you'd get shot down. There are studies, there's data, but for you it appears being able to imagine other reasons has more weig…

Incel communities absent moderation devolve quickly into hate for women, imaginary "facts", and veneration for acts of terrorism and murder.

Those who promote the same fake facts as say the kkk but don't directly call for lynching arouse the same visceral reaction if you recognize the similarities.

It is exactly like visiting a white supremacist online community with a different target population.

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Post by thrwaway69 »

tharne wrote: post #12

They buried the lede here. > Sexual activity was largely unchanged among unmarried women, along with no notable decline among gay men, researchers reported. Basically sex is following the pattern of wealth. Men as a group aren't having less sex, instead there's a winner take all effect where a small number of men are having a lot of sex with a lot of women while a large number of men are having little to no sex. It'l…

The reality is most men are unfit to reproduce. Accepting that takes a bit of a time but eventually you will learn that coming to terms with your value on biological level helps.

I don't think the current trends are problematic. The previous trends of overpopulation and women having excessive kids were. The depleting rights of them. Those trends were the problem.

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Post by Frost1x »

I can't help but notice the irony of this thread blowing up in popularity given that it's a Friday afternoon across most the US and during a pandemic with a lot of isolation, for an audience where the industry is largely populated by US males.

Also quite humorous how it was removed from the front page shortly after even though much of the discussion was civil. Let's not discuss the hard problems folks, thats how we solve real problems, right?

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Post by thrwaway69 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #304
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Some citations for your thesis below. To your last point, IMHO, you're going to continue to see a decline in the total fertility rate (US is roughly ~1.77 this year, lowest on record) as women shift from casual seeking in their 20s to relationship/nesting in their 30s and find the market for partners to be much smaller than they would've anticipated, while also nearing the end of natural fertility (fertility rates st…

Maybe tinder isn't reality and many in fact most people meet each other outside of tinder. 78% of women aren't actually chasing the top 20% of men and are in fact available to meet outside of hook ups on tinder. Reducing women to vaginas on legs that can't be obtained outside of tinder is a big part of why 1/3 not 80% of men aren't getting much play. For other contributing factors I would look at generational differe…

I am not surprised given hn is like the top 1% of the global population.

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Post by cosmodisk »

watwut wrote: post #271
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Things move faster in women world: in their 20s they run the show and a lot of average or above average men get rejected/ignored. In their 30s, the situation changes cardinally,as a lot of top candidates are already in relationships/married/kids,etc. So now most of those left behind moved on a bit,got better jobs,higher income,some even hit the gym,and so on. So now they are the ones who are choosing and all of sudde…

It is interesting that you are simultaneously ressentful of women not dating men of their age and simultaneously happy about old men dating young women. Given that there are similar amount of girls and boys, this guarantees that younger men of next generation will have to compete with older men for same pool of women.

I don't resent women.I was simply stating the state of affairs.There are so many cases,where attractive, intelligent,and educated women do struggle to find a long term partner,even though 'on paper' they tick all the boxes, except that they are no longer in their 20s. As for older men chasing young women: I have no issue with that, as long as the the whole thing is mutually acceptable,which is essential in any healthy relationship.

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Post by Gibbon1 »

codezero wrote: post #466
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> Why do they want to raise taxes? Takes 2 incomes (or a rich income) to buy the luxuries most women demand. Most women are still not as wealthy as men.

what luxuries do most women demand?

Women would rather not be poor.

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Post by michaelmrose »

onetimeusename wrote: post #465
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Maybe tinder isn't reality and many in fact most people meet each other outside of tinder. 78% of women aren't actually chasing the top 20% of men and are in fact available to meet outside of hook ups on tinder. Reducing women to vaginas on legs that can't be obtained outside of tinder is a big part of why 1/3 not 80% of men aren't getting much play. For other contributing factors I would look at generational differe…

The study didn't say anything about Tinder. However, your theory doesn't hold up. The study found that men who had part time employment, no employment, or were students were more likely to be sexually inactive. There isn't any data that suggests that those men are only using Tinder and failing or anything else you described. If you define inequality in terms of employment or wealth, you may be right, but that does in…

Women wanting a man with a job that pays enough not to live with mom isn't "hypergamy". The literal problem you are naming is inequality wherein an increasing minority can't afford a decent life despite working. It's not a defect in female choice its about the bottom 1/3 sharing a single digit percentage of the wealth and income. Females aren't all chasing the top 20% rich tall guys they are all chasing someone high enough on the fiscal totem pole to have something which is a lot broader than 20% and leaves 1/3 hung out to dry not 80%.

Female choice is rational our society is not. We cannot fix anything if we cannot even identify the problem.

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Post by foogazi »

avmich wrote: post #387
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That’s always been the case. People’s goals are different at different times during their life. There’s always a transactional aspect to being in a relationship. Are you good looking enough, healthy enough, wealthy enough, well connected enough, emotionally connected, personality etc. It may not be fruitful to frame a relationship exclusively in those pros and cons terms, but that’s the way nature has always worked.

> That’s always been the case. Has it? The question is not if people change. The question is who they choose and why - now, versus before. > There’s always a transactional aspect to being in a relationship. Are you good looking enough, healthy enough, wealthy enough, well connected enough, emotionally connected, personality etc. That doesn't explain the decrease in sex. As a group people are supposedly still about th…

> The question is who they choose and why - now, versus before

If you go back enough you’ll find that there is waaaay more choice now than before

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Post by [deleted] »

thewarrior wrote: post #442
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Precisely illustrates my point: most men are still operating under an outdated expectation of sex and romance. That merely existing suffices for being a good partner. When in reality, standards have been vastly increased any only a few men have gotten with the times.

And what are the standards exactly ? Plenty of people who have good jobs, average bodies and decent personalities absolutely struggle. If that’s not enough ...

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Post by ntlk »

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Sure man, if only things were as great as in the 50s, women just loved it back then when there was no "unrest". You give people freedom and choice and some people make bad decisions. Some women are like you described, while some aren't. Tons of women don't really enjoy hookups, not even with "alpha" males, but want a serious relationship. And some do love doing that. I do think most women have a pretty short "casual…

The problem is that small numbers of market participants can affect the market for the majority. A small number of fraudsters on Craigslist, for example, make everyone skeptical of it. And a small number of people plying the sexual marketplace can flood the market for what was previously a scarce resource, making people unwilling to do something as momentous as committing to spending one’s life with someone mainly in…

If you’re committing yourself to spending your life with someone mainly in order to have sex then boy are you in for some trouble.
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