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Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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A lot of guys are complaining in the thread, with undertones of an expectation of sex Most likely reason I see that would cause this data: the immense social pressure applied to straight women has lessened in the 21st century. A straight woman won't be ostricized at 25 if they don't "have a man." The data suggests that young straight men aren't having as much sex. I postulate that the only reason is that straight men…

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Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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The sexual revolution was about freedom and bodily autonomy: your existence is about more than being a sexual plaything. You can be a doctor, a professor, a factory worker, or a housewife. But the most important part is having the power to make that decision for yourself. > If I said the above out in the open I would lose my job Erm no, not quite. Maybe this part: > the sexual revolution was never about free love or…

Read my edit. There were reasons for societies to be sexually conservative. It wasnt random and it wasnt just on the whim of oppressive men.

The reason was that there was no pill and she would get pregnant and unable to earn money with baby. Which means baby is problem of everybody suddenly.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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This is a widespread societal change that I think most people are completely unaware of. The majority of women are sleeping with the top 10% of men, sometimes only the top 3-5%, with the rest barely getting any at all. the sexual revolution was never about free love or sexual freedom, it was about womens rights to sleep with the few men they are all attracted to. The lower 80% of men instead saw their sexual freedom…

I've been wondering about this as well. As you mentioned, monogamy may have evolved due to polygamous societies being less stable. The US is going towards a winner-take-all future where only a few humans will be able to have their psychological needs met. If you look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, fewer and fewer people are able to even fulfill the bottom layer. This means that the majority of people will eventually have no incentive to keep society intact. I think we're already seeing the beginning of these effects with societal unrest, rising extremism, rising and younger suicides, etc. I know this sounds like incel-speak, but I have been in a long term relationship for several years and I'm starting to be very worried about the future of the US society and am reconsidering my plans to have children. I think at a high level this is due to the extreme wealth inequalities that exist, so if we don't fix that we might be heading towards a very violent future. I think part of the reason for wars was to tame this instability by giving men some sense of purpose while at the same time getting rid of them or the men of the other side. Unfortunately, this kind of discussion is forbidden in public and you will be labeled a misogynist or incel if you mention it.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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There are two coaching perspectives that I think are useful for single men. We don't have many dating coaches in the coaching community I run, but I've been in long conversations with coaches outside that community whose job it is to help men date. One perspective is that it's almost always faster to focus on being more interested rather than more interesting. That means focusing on status and alpha male activities i…

I'm glad you brought up the friend-zone thing. I feel like I'm extremely good at all the things you listed before that, and I have a ton of female friends (which I love, don't get me wrong). I just have no idea to turn that into sex.

>I just have no idea to turn that into sex.

This seems indicative of the exact line of thinking the parent comment notes does not typically work.

>"I'm laughing at her jokes because I hope that will make her sleep with me."

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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> any relationship they find will be tainted by knowing they weren't good enough to party with but good enough to marry. I am confused by this.... I would feel much better about myself knowing I was the one good enough to marry rather than the one who was only good enough to party with.

The problem is your spouse will not really find you attractive sexually. She will be with you because you have money and are a good provider. She really wants to be with the guy she partied with in her younger years, not you.

I think you have a very limited understanding of sexual attraction... it is not static. It can grow for someone as you get to know them and spend time with someone.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Back in a day, quite some time ago, I started screwing around when I was 16. Most of the parents were quite conservative so they didn't allow kids to do it at their places where we, kids, lived, at least not to their knowledge. But we used every occasion to do it while they were at work. Or at birthdays and other home parties. In parks. At the graveyards. On roofs. In basements. Any place where we could get half an h…

In the U.S., if you're caught having sex in public, it's completely legal (and seemingly usually practiced) to put you on a publicly visible sex offender list that really kinda fucks up every aspect of your entire life, for life. Just a thought.

In a ZOO, animals are less likely to have sex than when living free.

Just a thought :)

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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The problem is your spouse will not really find you attractive sexually. She will be with you because you have money and are a good provider. She really wants to be with the guy she partied with in her younger years, not you.

That’s always been the case. People’s goals are different at different times during their life. There’s always a transactional aspect to being in a relationship. Are you good looking enough, healthy enough, wealthy enough, well connected enough, emotionally connected, personality etc. It may not be fruitful to frame a relationship exclusively in those pros and cons terms, but that’s the way nature has always worked.

> That’s always been the case.

Has it? The question is not if people change. The question is who they choose and why - now, versus before.

> There’s always a transactional aspect to being in a relationship. Are you good looking enough, healthy enough, wealthy enough, well connected enough, emotionally connected, personality etc.

That doesn't explain the decrease in sex. As a group people are supposedly still about the same.

> It may not be fruitful to frame a relationship exclusively in those pros and cons terms, but that’s the way nature has always worked.

If we talk about humans, the article talks about the changing data. The proposed explanation is that views have changed. You're saying that views always have been like that. So there is a difference in data.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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The conservative political commentator (and never-Trumper) David Frum has commented about this and the general decline in coupling between the sexes among young people. He believes that part of the reason comes from the economic hurdles facing many millennials; it's harder to get your own place or have a sense of financial confidence, so starting a family or embarking on a relationship may seem more daunting. He also…

> economic hurdles facing many millennials

This would affect men and women equally, but it doesn't, so that seems not to be it.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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I don't have data for this but I believe that legal polygamy is a big contributor to political extremism. Sexual frustration leads to inferiority complexes that result in aggression against the norm. As an example I see the Middle East where polygamy is not unheard of and the rise of the Islamic State or the Taliban. Would be interesting if anybody has data on this.

Both the Islamic State and Taliban were formed by soldiers and insurgents left over from military invasions of the Middle East. The former came to prominence thanks to a lot of Bathists in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion - many were officers during Saddam's regime - and the latter by the mujahideen, who fought the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and had plenty of military hardware left over to form a powerful army…

"How the Islamic State recruits young men by kidnapping girls to be their sex slaves"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/13/islamic-state-re...

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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There are two coaching perspectives that I think are useful for single men. We don't have many dating coaches in the coaching community I run, but I've been in long conversations with coaches outside that community whose job it is to help men date. One perspective is that it's almost always faster to focus on being more interested rather than more interesting. That means focusing on status and alpha male activities i…

>Whereas treating women like people, looking them in the eyes, listening, being curious, trying to find ways to relate--these can be very effective.

In other words, in sex and in business, being a good salesman is key.

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