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Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Post by nicoburns »

aianus wrote: post #264
wayoutthere wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

App dating doesn’t work well for a whole lot of people — it‘s really bad if you’re fat, trans, disabled, or even just socially awkward. App culture is about looking for a reason to swipe left rather than finding someone you like and accepting their flaws. It sucks for everyone, it’s just easier for straight cis women under 35 who are able-bodied and of a certain size to get laid.

> it's really bad if you’re fat, disabled, or even just socially awkward Isn't it easier to hide these things on a Tinder profile than in a nightclub?

Not without outright lying about your appearance. People on Tinder are appearance focussed. People in real life are much more likely to look past those things. It also depends a lot of the kind of nightclub you go to.

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Post by Vysero »

88840-8855 wrote: post #308
Vysero wrote: post #288

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Perhaps it's just me then. I have standards when it comes to looks, body type and economic/intellectual factors.

You (as a guy) have standards regarding economic status for a one night stand? Special, indeed.

No I suppose I shouldn't have said I have economic standards for one night stands, but certainly looks and body type. Then again, to some degree, if a women is wearing old dingy boots and looks like she lives on the streets but is hot.. I wouldn't' sleep with her, and I would say that fits under the umbrella of economic standards, just being honest.

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Post by rurabe »

hypotheses (not in any order)

1. economic concerns 1.a. not having a job is not an ideal situation for attracting potential partners 1.b. having less disposable income means less ability to take people on dates 1.b.i covid has made this much harder 1.c. much harder to live alone 1.c.i. you might have roommates and feel it awkward to have sex with them in the house 1.c.ii. you might live with family and feel it awkward to have sex with them in the house 1.d. hard to pay for sex regularly 1.e. might not feel ready for even the chance of having a child 1.e.i might not feel like you can afford a child 1.e.ii having a child might have detrimental effects on careers (especially for women) i.e.iii you would think that increased birth control efficacy would reduce this? 2. health concerns 2.a increased awareness and fear of stds in the post aids era 2.b. more recently, covid 3. social issues 3.a. social media has provided an alternative and to varying degrees replaced some in-person interaction 3.b. porn is free and incredibly prevalent 3.c. slut shaming 3.d. fear of stigma of teen pregnancy 3.e. abstinence education 3.e.i but hasn't this always been the case? 3.f. video games are a lot of fun and less work 3.g. tinder 3.g.i must be attractive on looks (and profile wit) alone 3.g.ii winner take all dynamics

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Post by Nav_Panel »

wcoenen wrote: post #275

8000 years ago, 17 women reproduced for every one man. This is based on analysis of DNA that is exclusively passed on by males (Y chromosome) and females (mitochondrial DNA). https://psmag.com/.amp/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-succ...

There was a lot more raping and pillaging back then, I assume. What's your point?

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Post by bjl »

quasarj wrote: post #313
bjl wrote: post #232

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Because the men that are willing to put in the effort are still having sex. Its not hard for a man to become attractive: eat right, exercise often, groom regularly, dress well, develop a compelling personality, cultivate relationships with interesting people. The fact that people who don't even try aren't able to have sex doesn't seem surprising (or bad).

> Its not hard for a man to become attractive Proceeds to list the most difficult things in life.

None of the things listed are difficult at all. They take willpower and time, of course, but they aren't rocket science.

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Post by jeffreyrogers »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #290
tharne wrote: post #12

They buried the lede here. > Sexual activity was largely unchanged among unmarried women, along with no notable decline among gay men, researchers reported. Basically sex is following the pattern of wealth. Men as a group aren't having less sex, instead there's a winner take all effect where a small number of men are having a lot of sex with a lot of women while a large number of men are having little to no sex. It'l…

>> Men as a group aren't having less sex, instead there's a winner take all effect where a small number of men are having a lot of sex with a lot of women while a large number of men are having little to no sex. Isn't this normal? Males in the animal world fight to death for the right to pass down their genes. Women don't care about all men getting sex...everyone wants the "best" possible mate for themselves to have…

It is normal, but the only successful societies have been the ones that resolve this issue in such a way that most men can find a sexual partner.

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Post by cheonic729 »

abeppu wrote: post #187

People in this thread are talking a lot about the availability of non-sex ways to spend attention (porn, social media, netflix), and of loosely power-law effects where a small number of men can have a lot of sex because of good looks and money. What about the other economic factors? - aren't more young people in living situations with greater sharing and less privacy than 20 years ago? - given the relative stagnation…

> What about the other economic factors?

This would be true if women also demonstrated a decline in sex. However, women are having sex at the same rate as men.

The problem is not economic. It's winner-take-all as the top comments mention.

The causal reason cannot apply to men and women equality (eg, economic). It must overwhelmingly affect men.

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tharne wrote: post #12

They buried the lede here. > Sexual activity was largely unchanged among unmarried women, along with no notable decline among gay men, researchers reported. Basically sex is following the pattern of wealth. Men as a group aren't having less sex, instead there's a winner take all effect where a small number of men are having a lot of sex with a lot of women while a large number of men are having little to no sex. It'l…

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Post by pacija »

watwut wrote: post #181
pacija wrote: post #110

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Back in a day, quite some time ago, I started screwing around when I was 16. Most of the parents were quite conservative so they didn't allow kids to do it at their places where we, kids, lived, at least not to their knowledge. But we used every occasion to do it while they were at work. Or at birthdays and other home parties. In parks. At the graveyards. On roofs. In basements. Any place where we could get half an h…

The thing that primary predicts less teenage sex is sexual education. Which is better then used to be. The conservativism of parents where you lived likely contributed to kids having sax in the park hoping nobody will arrest them and charge them with public sex. And honestly, I never witnessed what you described here and I am kinda happy I did not.

Did I understand your point correctly, that you think that having less teen sex is a good thing?

Also that it is ok to ruin young people's lives for having sex outside of apartments or hotel rooms?

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Post by luckylion »

derrick_jensen wrote: post #122
codingslave wrote: post #50

This is a widespread societal change that I think most people are completely unaware of. The majority of women are sleeping with the top 10% of men, sometimes only the top 3-5%, with the rest barely getting any at all. the sexual revolution was never about free love or sexual freedom, it was about womens rights to sleep with the few men they are all attracted to. The lower 80% of men instead saw their sexual freedom…

That's similar to saying that technology isn't about liberating the worker, but rendering most of the work force obsolete and only hiring the top 20% of performers. Your freedom does not compel anybody to be in a relationship with you, just like your freedom does not require somebody to hire you. I agree that there are larger societal changes at play, but saying this isn't strictly more free than before isn't paintin…

> Your freedom does not compel anybody to be in a relationship with you, just like your freedom does not require somebody to hire you.

I generally agree with this, but then again, I'm also generally wary of taxation for the same reason: nobody should be required to give money to somebody else via the state.

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