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Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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I would say it is a problem, given that the average person wants romantic companionship, and usually children at some point. It's hard to get there if you aren't successfully dating.

The question wasn't dating , it was sex . You can be dating but not having sex. That's fine.

Fair enough, but the two usually go together. Then again, I may just be old and out of touch.

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They buried the lede here. > Sexual activity was largely unchanged among unmarried women, along with no notable decline among gay men, researchers reported. Basically sex is following the pattern of wealth. Men as a group aren't having less sex, instead there's a winner take all effect where a small number of men are having a lot of sex with a lot of women while a large number of men are having little to no sex. It'l…

> instead there's a winner take all effect where a small number of men are having a lot of sex with a lot of women If true, I wonder how much of that is due to self-selection by men who aren't having sex. Having once upon a time been lonely and bitter, I know that men often end up in positive feedback loops that strengthen their not having sexual partners - due to the attitudes they develop towards women.

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Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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They buried the lede here. > Sexual activity was largely unchanged among unmarried women, along with no notable decline among gay men, researchers reported. Basically sex is following the pattern of wealth. Men as a group aren't having less sex, instead there's a winner take all effect where a small number of men are having a lot of sex with a lot of women while a large number of men are having little to no sex. It'l…

I think this is exactly right. Apps like Tinder that normalized online "dating" (before the apps it was much less common among younger people) have allowed the "apex predator" men with good jobs/looks/personalities to have sex on demand with virtually unlimited numbers of women. This has also been made possible because a lot more women are now willing to be in non-exclusive sexual relationships at the beginning when they are first getting to know someone.

The data from old OK-Cupid studies clearly show that most women are only immediately attracted to a very small subset of men. It is these men who are having all the sex. Seems like a powder keg over time as the excluded men become bitter and forced to postpone getting married and starting a family. I believe many of these men will eventually find someone once enough of the women who are now rejecting them face biological realities and are forced to settle if they want to have children.

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Young man here. "Ladies first" is flat out weird to me, the only time I ever use it is jokingly with my girlfriend, sisters, or close female friends. I'm not sure if I'd go so far as to call it sexist, but it's an odd thing to say for sure.

its a nice gesture. whats the problem? back in Germany, only 10 years ago, women were super happy about it. now i am getting called a sexist. times change

it can be viewed as patronizing.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Young man here. "Ladies first" is flat out weird to me, the only time I ever use it is jokingly with my girlfriend, sisters, or close female friends. I'm not sure if I'd go so far as to call it sexist, but it's an odd thing to say for sure.

its a nice gesture. whats the problem? back in Germany, only 10 years ago, women were super happy about it. now i am getting called a sexist. times change

It's not appropriate to treat women differently from men in the work place.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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It's become harder to approach women. Based on my experience, they are far more likely this day in age to reject you than ever before. That coupled with the constant barrage men receive on the sexual misconduct front coupled with the notion that women only want exceedingly wealthy, attractive, muscular men makes it very easy for men to slink away into their rooms after work, and play video games all night rather than face the reality's of dating.

Why shouldn't their standards be high? Women that is.. I mean women are enjoying more financial success, and independence than ever before. Marriage is becoming a notion of the past. Children are being seen as to large of a burden, and relationships are being sent by the way side as a result.

If you ask me, kids are just starting to open their eyes is all.

EDIT: After thinking about this I would like to offer up some optimism. I think the lack of confidence in men that we see when approaching women will inevitable lead to women becoming less reluctant to approach men then it has historically been. Optimistically, I believe this will start to reverse some the effects we are noticing among single males.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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They buried the lede here. > Sexual activity was largely unchanged among unmarried women, along with no notable decline among gay men, researchers reported. Basically sex is following the pattern of wealth. Men as a group aren't having less sex, instead there's a winner take all effect where a small number of men are having a lot of sex with a lot of women while a large number of men are having little to no sex. It'l…

I can't tell from the article, but it sounds like they did not take into account wealth in their study, but are inferring a pattern based on other studies on wealth/sexuality, or am I missing something here? One can't simply say "women prefer men with higher socioeconomic status" because it sounds right, and I'm not saying that this isn't studied somewhere, just that when making conclusions about a study, if that fac…

I don't think the patent was saying the two are related, just that they follow the same pattern.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Is it a problem? People don't need to be having sex. As long as people are happy.

The article notes that it is potentially an area of concern.

"The trend is concerning as sexual relationships are important for well-being and health, researchers note."

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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This is a widespread societal change that I think most people are completely unaware of. The majority of women are sleeping with the top 10% of men, sometimes only the top 3-5%, with the rest barely getting any at all. the sexual revolution was never about free love or sexual freedom, it was about womens rights to sleep with the few men they are all attracted to. The lower 80% of men instead saw their sexual freedom diminish drastically.

Even the men not getting any do not realize how easily other guys are getting sex. Its like they live in separate universes. Whats more, eventually these women need to settle down, often with men who are their "equals". But they do not see them as equals, as they have been having casual sex with men way out of their league for years. This is a deep societal problem and one that surely adds to unrest among the population.

How do I know all of this? I lived in NYC for five years and ran in circles where we were usually the best looking guys at the bar. The ease with which some friends got women was shocking. Especially in contrast with other circles that I ran in, specifically nerdier programmers working at FAANG.

If I said the above out in the open I would lose my job. But its reality.

EDIT:

I agree that women should be free and any opinion other than that is heinous.

But I am going to add a bit about the sexual revolution part, because I think it is critical. Monogamy is about stability in society. Half of the reason for pushing for sexual restrictions and monogamy was because it stopped uprisings and stabilized relations. It has been a cornerstone of western society. All of these restrictions from the past had a purpose and stood the test of time, they were not random. When we remove those restrictions and societal opinions of sexual conservatism, we throw out thousands of years of hard learned rules across societies.

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