The concentration camps and child prisons the US is operating presently are mostly in Texas and the southwest, so this won't have much meaningful effect on the situation.
Isn't California southwest? I mean it borders on Mexico and the Pacific ocean. Or is "southwest" in American usage synonymous with Texas?
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Re: California bans private prisons and immigration detention centers (2019)
#22@dang can you add 2019 to the title so people know this is an old article?
Emailing them at hn@ycombinator.com is a better way to get this done, as they see it faster and it avoids meta-conversations like this one lowering the signal-to-noise ratio of the comments.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
If we're going to have free movement it should probably be via a proper agreement, like in the EU. Not a mishmash of contradictory state and federal policies. And it should be mutual - if Mexicans and Canadians can live in the US, Americans should be freely allowed to live in Mexico and Canada.
We should also have standards like the European Union. And one of those standards should be that any country participating should not be run by warlords.
This shouldn’t get downvoted. Freedom of movement in the EU is based on consent. Movement is allowed from countries that have been accepted into the EU after an extended process that ensures that the country’s governance and laws are compatible with those of the existing members. Freedom of movement in the EU bears no resemblance to the non-consensual movement of people that happens in North America.
Re: California bans private prisons and immigration detention centers (2019)
#24Nice while it lasted. How many Democrats enjoyed the payola from private prison unions?
Re: California bans private prisons and immigration detention centers (2019)
#25I guess this is nice, but I think the question of "private prisons" can become a bit of a distraction. Maybe they make things worse, but they're not the root of our problems. Consider that California state prisons were trying to save money by illegally sterilizing inmates as recently as 2010. Here's a great headline to consider: "California Bans Sterilization of Female Inmates Without Consent". 2013. In the United St…
That sounds to me like a symptom of state prisons being run like private prisons.
Re: California bans private prisons and immigration detention centers (2019)
#26This article is pretty old -October 11, 2019 / 10:40 PM / 8 months ago...
Re: California bans private prisons and immigration detention centers (2019)
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
If we're going to have free movement it should probably be via a proper agreement, like in the EU. Not a mishmash of contradictory state and federal policies. And it should be mutual - if Mexicans and Canadians can live in the US, Americans should be freely allowed to live in Mexico and Canada.
We should also have standards like the European Union. And one of those standards should be that any country participating should not be run by warlords.
At risk of godwinning, by this logic the US should never have taken in all those Jewish scientists fleeing Nazi Germany... Or any of the many, many incredible Iranians I've known and worked with in my life. Often the best people are fleeing intolerable conditions.
btw, the Open Borders graphic novel is fantastic: https://www.smbc-comics.com/openborders/
Re: California bans private prisons and immigration detention centers (2019)
#28I guess this is nice, but I think the question of "private prisons" can become a bit of a distraction. Maybe they make things worse, but they're not the root of our problems. Consider that California state prisons were trying to save money by illegally sterilizing inmates as recently as 2010. Here's a great headline to consider: "California Bans Sterilization of Female Inmates Without Consent". 2013. In the United St…
>illegally
Presumably illegal. There wasn't a state law banning it, and Buck vs. Bell technically still stands allowing state run compulsory sterilization.
Re: California bans private prisons and immigration detention centers (2019)
#29I guess this is nice, but I think the question of "private prisons" can become a bit of a distraction. Maybe they make things worse, but they're not the root of our problems. Consider that California state prisons were trying to save money by illegally sterilizing inmates as recently as 2010. Here's a great headline to consider: "California Bans Sterilization of Female Inmates Without Consent". 2013. In the United St…
Am I missing something here? How can sterilizations save money when prisons are already gender segragated? Unless they are saying that it is inpractical to have male prison guards/staff not have sex with the inmates.
Re: California bans private prisons and immigration detention centers (2019)
#30This isn't about protecting prisoners or their rights, this is about protecting the jobs that the California Correctional Peace Officers Association controls and insuring no one else performs this task. Private prisons were forced into accepting CCPOA members but he union set forth in campaign after campaign to rid the state of private prisons.
Back in May Newsom announced he was trying to reduce some of the in excess of thirteen billion dollar prison budget and between allowing more prisoners out, reducing chances more got in, and considering the role of private prisons. However the CCPOA basically went to the legislature which it effectively owns and here is the result. More money instead of less.
It gets wrapped up and sold under a different banner to hide the real move. California state government is under the boot of the CSSA and both are responsible for that the high incarceration rates. go look at any state approaching those numbers and you will find a similar police related organization behind it all.
This all synchronizes neatly with the problems all the recent rallies brought forth. The public sector employee unions that run our police, fire, prison, and education, have so much power that any attempt at reform instead usually ends up with more money going to the very organizations causing the problem. Besides the front facing public relations problem the back end that will soak the public is the largess in the pension and health retirement programs, the very same gold plated programs that resulted in the ACA being hampered from day one.