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Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

#351
I have a type of migraine called vestibular migraine and I can confidently say that using dark mode helps A LOT. I agree with previous comments, dark mode is not about optimising for the median, it's about giving more options, just like we did with screen readers, font sizes, etc.

It's one of the sad sides of tech: we have all this knowledge about accessibility and this is either siloed or just not talked about. Designers are learning about aesthetics, color theory, typography but not about making your product support as many humans as possible - which is a business outcome!

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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Customize your device for your comfort. Even if there are studies that show on average humans retain information better reading in light mode. That's merely the average! Variation is the only certainty in biology. It's good we have options. First I found I read my kindle more than physical books even though I prefer the look and feel of physical books. Then I found I read even more on my ipad with the kindle app show…

>Customize your device for your comfort. I think the better advice is, customize your environment for your comfort. Often the reason why people use dark mode is that they use their devices in badly lit environments . It's not a good idea to stare into a bright monitor in a dark room, and the dark mode is arguably the wrong fix for the problem. Reading in dimly lit rooms is known to cause headaches and eye strain and…

My environment isn't "badly lit". I just don't want bright, flickering light blasted into my eyes at my expense.

I even block natural light using sunglasses when I go outside!

Once upon a time I stared at the Sun for a solid 20 seconds without blinking. I couldn't read text for a month, the letters disappeared from under my center vision. Why in God's name would I want to routinely stare at a bright screen?

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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iOS is pure black in dark mode.

it is absolutely not. 90% of visible UI is dark grey painted over a black background. a lot of apps also use dark tones too, like dark blue or green.

Blue on black/dark gray is horrible for visual acuity.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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Apparently light-on-dark is terrible if the person has astigmatism: the edges get very blurry and doubled. There was an article on HN about this, specifically about keynote slides. Also apparently “in Europe and Asia, astigmatism affects between 30 and 60% of adults” (says Wikipedia). I have it too, and couldn't figure out in the past why text sometimes looks horribly blurry and sometimes doesn't. With this knowledge…

I have wondered for a long time about the hype around dark themes for this reason. No eye is perfect in terms of optical quality. Specifically, the lens can be misshaped and the vitreous can have impurities that lead to refraction of light. If we look at bright light sources the pupil is almost closed, which means all light entering propagates close to the optical axis of the eye, where lens defects are not playing a huge role. The less intense the light source gets, the more the pupil opens and more aperture is used. That means lens defects start to become more apparent and the probability the light crosses a part with inhomogeneities in the vitreous part becomes larger. With dark themes our pupils open more, using a bigger aperture of our eyes, which allows small aberrations like astigmatism to get pronounced. These optical aberrations can lead to double vision (cover up one eye and look at the white letters on a dark background from far), for which our brain compensates when both eyes are used. Of course, too much light isn't the answer either.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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Science is not a faith based system. If you doubt about the rigor of some study, by all means point the errors you find. In the meantime, I will trust those scientific studies more than subjective opinions in hackernews comments.

Why not conduct your own experiment, using Science? 1. Start with a hypothesis, that "dark mode is less comfortable for me than light mode". 2. Design an experiment: find the sites that you use most. Use them for 10 minutes each in light mode and dark mode. Write down your impressions. 3. Build a conclusion: was your hypothesis correct? Was it partially correct for some sites? Then you can adapt your behaviour accord…

Unfortunately your proposed study design does not control for biases. For example, say I'm an audiophile comparing two audio formats, x and y, and I hear y is remarkably better. If I compare them side by side, my own brain might fool me that y is better. The way to control that is to do a blind test, where I won't know which one is x or y.

Also, asking people their impressions can be helpful in the human aspect of the research, but quantitatively you need some sort of metric you can evaluate their experience on. For example, you'd assign a task and see how well people did comparing the two modes, while also making sure the difference is statistically significant (meaning it wasn't just as likely to be chance).

This is just the beginning of where good study design starts. You'd also do things like assigning the modes themselves randomly, so to go back to the audiophile example, I might notice if it's always x and then y, but not if it's scrambled. You'd could go further and try to stratify the groups, so for example making sure one group isn't all elderly people and the other young. It goes on and on...

So while the scientific method is nice, especially for introducing science in educational contexts, the methodology and rationale behind research is much more deliberate and involved. By all means they can try out things themselves, but no, they will not "get better information than any study".

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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I love dark mode for my UI chrome, etc, but hate it for documents and emails. Sadly having dark mode enabled on my Mac seems to make site designers think I also want the Web to look like an adult site. I've heard there's a way to force Chrome to override this feature but I haven't got round to trying it yet as it's only a handful of sites that do it (so far).

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

#358
Anyone here experience this thing with dark modes that the colors shapes stick in your eyes afterwards? Try old black-background websites with some neon color text and tel me how you feel.

For me there is too much risk of that with dark mode. The white background already gives me all the light I need so my eyes adjust and any colors can be used.

I would recommend a light gray background for the least strain on the eyes.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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"Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?" Yes, it is. One thing is reading a newspaper in which text amounts to a good percentage of the available area, and the rest reflects ambient light, and a whole different thing is a screen with some text in the middle and the free area emitting white light right to my eyes, de facto saturating them. I would never read a white text on black paper newspaper, neither in the dark nor in th…

I totally disagree. the s/n on white background is very high. the s/n on a black background is terrible (reflection easily overwhelm the signal) young eyes don't care older eyes, with less ability to reshape the lens of the eye need extra light to close down the pupil and put more stuff in focus without eyestrain.

This is the biggest problem with the using dark mode on reflective screens. (Another one is that web sites force their own themes which are usually light, so switching between windows becomes painful.)

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

#360

Personally I appreciate the ability to switch color modes. I've found that when reading articles or text I like dark text on a white background. So news apps are kept in light mode. For development i like that darker themes allows me to see the syntax highlighting better. Plus my partner loves the "rainbow text" and knows when I'm working "matrix time" :)

I've found that when reading articles or text I like dark text on a white background. So news apps are kept in light mode.

Same, but a problem nowadays is that if you have your OS in dark mode, some site designers detect this and serve you up dark CSS :-(

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