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Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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"Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?" Yes, it is. One thing is reading a newspaper in which text amounts to a good percentage of the available area, and the rest reflects ambient light, and a whole different thing is a screen with some text in the middle and the free area emitting white light right to my eyes, de facto saturating them. I would never read a white text on black paper newspaper, neither in the dark nor in th…

fun fact, your retinal receptors are releasing transmitter in the dark and stop releasing it when activated by light.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #142

"Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?" Yes, it is. One thing is reading a newspaper in which text amounts to a good percentage of the available area, and the rest reflects ambient light, and a whole different thing is a screen with some text in the middle and the free area emitting white light right to my eyes, de facto saturating them. I would never read a white text on black paper newspaper, neither in the dark nor in th…

I totally disagree. the s/n on white background is very high. the s/n on a black background is terrible (reflection easily overwhelm the signal) young eyes don't care older eyes, with less ability to reshape the lens of the eye need extra light to close down the pupil and put more stuff in focus without eyestrain.

In some sense your eye might not care, but it really do seem that either eye or the brain cares. Not necessarily about the background or foreground itself unless the background is really bright, but something more like the relative contrast of our entire field of vision, and interacting with the size of elements.

A good black and white (true grayscale CRT display) in a properly lit room can be eminently readable and cause very little eye strain. However, as soon as you start to use color and images, and/or the room isn't properly lit, it seems the level of contrast necessary for make colour look right - especially in images - also tend to make white backgrounds far too bright. According to my experience the effect get worse the bigger the screen is.

It does seem to be an issue, but not really a problem with the text versus background color, rather because we handle gamut/contrast/color the same way in both UI elements, on screen text, and images. While this might partially be down to the last decades dominance of LCD screens with rather poor color rendering that nobody has cared to fix it, the color profiles of UI, text, and images should really be adjusted separately.

So why does dark background seemingly alleviate this issue for some fraction of people? I don't know for sure, it could be the brain "averages" light over a small area, when determining some global brightness/contrast measure, thus making might on black seem less contrasty while still allowing use of brightness/color range that also works reasonably well for images?

I notice my daughter brought up with screens around seem to care less, but that could be a coincidence.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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Apparently light-on-dark is terrible if the person has astigmatism: the edges get very blurry and doubled. There was an article on HN about this, specifically about keynote slides. Also apparently “in Europe and Asia, astigmatism affects between 30 and 60% of adults” (says Wikipedia). I have it too, and couldn't figure out in the past why text sometimes looks horribly blurry and sometimes doesn't. With this knowledge…

also if you have glare from LASIK or sth. There are however combinations of dark mode that are much more legible. colors and fonts and UI elements matter a lot too. Outlines and lines are perceived differently if dark. TWitter's dark mode for example is terrible

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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Is there a free, preferably open source, reader web app with dark mode? I have an old Lumia lying around which is mostly useless by now but has a nice low-brightness screen.

BTW, other ideas are welcomed. Hate abandoning perfectly functional tech.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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These articles are so bizarre to me: he's writing about dark mode and light mode as if you can just... _choose_ one or the other and be roughly equally happy either way? I would never even think to look at "studies" when it's blindingly obvious: light mode makes my eyes hurt a lot, dark mode is very comfortable.

The only time I can even consider using light mode is mid-day with plenty of natural light around. At night when all the lights are dim, even the lowest brightness on my laptop (which is quite low), plus redshift, plus blue-blocking glasses, isn't enough to be comfortable in light mode. I use the "Deluminate" extension for Chrome to make all sites dark, all the time.

Perhaps I'm unusually sensitive to light (I think I am), but based on the comments here I think I'm far from alone.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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The most important part is preference IMO. People have the right to choose which is right for them, and if they determine that dark mode is better for them (even if they just think it looks better), having a setting in the OS that cascades down to all applications and websites is just a nice feature to have. This is why prefers-color-scheme is the perfect mechanism for this. Simply swap out your CSS variables and aut…

Except some people prefer dark UI but light websites. You can't please everyone. There should be a per-site based setting such as microphone access etc. where if prefer-color-scheme: dark is detected, user can toggle it should they choose.

But, as a site owner it's my prerogative on the decisions I make regarding design. It's not always about choice :)

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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My eyes are too sensitive to light. It really hurts. I have to dim the monitors light down to zero. Now almost every website on the net show text with pale-gray color on white background for whatever the sick reason. Some people must be batshit crazy to make text light-gray and also semi-transparent. I can't flippin' read. So http://darkreader.org does a great job for me.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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"Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?" Yes, it is. One thing is reading a newspaper in which text amounts to a good percentage of the available area, and the rest reflects ambient light, and a whole different thing is a screen with some text in the middle and the free area emitting white light right to my eyes, de facto saturating them. I would never read a white text on black paper newspaper, neither in the dark nor in th…

Could you explain what you consider to be the difference between emitted and reflected light? I'm asking because in the models of global illumination that also handle emissive materials that I've worked with, there's literally no difference between whether a photon was emitted by a surface, or came from somewhere else and bounced off the surface. So I'm trying to understand if there's some fundamental property here (e.g. like polarization) or LED color reproduction at play, that CG models don't capture. Because as soon as you have a ray of light with a certain intensity and mix of wavelengths, it really shouldn't matter how it was produced, so I'm trying to understand the quantitative difference in what is produced.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #168

"Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?" Yes, it is. One thing is reading a newspaper in which text amounts to a good percentage of the available area, and the rest reflects ambient light, and a whole different thing is a screen with some text in the middle and the free area emitting white light right to my eyes, de facto saturating them. I would never read a white text on black paper newspaper, neither in the dark nor in th…

Could you explain what you consider to be the difference between emitted and reflected light? I'm asking because in the models of global illumination that also handle emissive materials that I've worked with, there's literally no difference between whether a photon was emitted by a surface, or came from somewhere else and bounced off the surface. So I'm trying to understand if there's some fundamental property here (…

Emissive displays don't react to incident light in the same way as paper, even if they try. And they've been trying for a long time -- my grandmother had a TV from the 1970s with an ambient light sensor that would match the ambient color temperature.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #165

These articles are so bizarre to me: he's writing about dark mode and light mode as if you can just... _choose_ one or the other and be roughly equally happy either way? I would never even think to look at "studies" when it's blindingly obvious: light mode makes my eyes hurt a lot, dark mode is very comfortable. The only time I can even consider using light mode is mid-day with plenty of natural light around. At nigh…

Probably because dark mode has been shoved over us through an aggresive bro culture not unlike MongoDB at the time.

That's probably why people want to be vocal about it (not as much as said bro culture still)

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