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Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by milquetoastaf »

ciarannolan wrote: post #22
docdeek wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One reddit thread suggests it is already heading that way. https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/h077uv/raz_simone_...

From the OP of that post: >tl;dw: Man was tagging over someone else's art, Raz and group approach and separate him from crowd, chasing him for two blocks. He begins to film them with his phone, they take it from him. He tries to get it back and they attack him, kicking him in the head and breaking his glasses. At one point, Raz threatens to shoot the man. They then begin to gaslight him that it was all his fault. Aud…

Because something like this would never happen with the police involved...

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

#32

Post by floren »

tomschlick wrote: post #29
ncallaway wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The list of demands came from an open mic discussion. They let anyone come up and suggest a demand. Someonen transcribed those demands and then posted them. I think it would be better to view those demands as the union of demands of each person willing to speak to a crowd. Which is why you see inconsistency in then, why it's such a long list, etc. I just think that list of demands is better understood in that context…

Its not a list of demands if it's ridiculous and can't be realistically filled. At that point its just a list of wishes.

Rather reminds me of the demands that used to come out when students would occupy a university building back in the 60s, where they'd demand that the president of Cowtown College get the US out of Vietnam immediately

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by tomschlick »

kf wrote: post #25
ciarannolan wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived in a neighborhood with an "enforcer". Let's just say most of us were happy when the police showed up from time to time.

Living in a neighborhood in Oakland CA with no enforcer and annoyingly blatant property crime, I’m willing to give an enforcer a try cause it’s not like people trust the police here or that they even come when you call them.

Then stop electing the same people who de-prioritize prosecuting property crime.

I'm amazed by SF and close areas utter disregard for what is normal crime wise. Most people in most cities don't have a story about their car window being smashed in and rummaged through. Every thread I see here / on reddit about SF someone mentions that its completely normal and should be expected there.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

#34

Post by dev1n »

ciarannolan wrote: post #22
docdeek wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One reddit thread suggests it is already heading that way. https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/h077uv/raz_simone_...

From the OP of that post: >tl;dw: Man was tagging over someone else's art, Raz and group approach and separate him from crowd, chasing him for two blocks. He begins to film them with his phone, they take it from him. He tries to get it back and they attack him, kicking him in the head and breaking his glasses. At one point, Raz threatens to shoot the man. They then begin to gaslight him that it was all his fault. Aud…

Raz isn't a reason why the police exist. Raz is a product of a system where the police exist too much, which if given the proper social and educational services earlier in his life, his character and personality disorder exemplified here would have been nullified.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by ncallaway »

FisForFlight wrote: post #13

This seems ideal.. protests on the east coast result in getting shot with rubber bullets and tear gased by incompetent politicians.

Uh...that was happening in Seattle every night.

That's what led to this. There was night after night after night of police using flashbangs, teargas, and mace on mostly peaceful protests.

It was extremely unpopular with both the protestors and the local residents. There have been many calls for the mayor to resign over the repeated use of force.

So the police finally stopped with the violence. They just...left. They abandoned the East Precinct, expecting the protestors to burn it down.

The protestors decided not to burn it down, and instead set up an occupy style movement on the streets outside the police station.

But, yes. They definitely tried rubber bullets, teargas and mace first.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

#36

Post by bathtub365 »

dev1n wrote: post #34
ciarannolan wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the OP of that post: >tl;dw: Man was tagging over someone else's art, Raz and group approach and separate him from crowd, chasing him for two blocks. He begins to film them with his phone, they take it from him. He tries to get it back and they attack him, kicking him in the head and breaking his glasses. At one point, Raz threatens to shoot the man. They then begin to gaslight him that it was all his fault. Aud…

Raz isn't a reason why the police exist. Raz is a product of a system where the police exist too much, which if given the proper social and educational services earlier in his life, his character and personality disorder exemplified here would have been nullified.

That idealism is great, but Raz exists today regardless. What’s your solution to that?

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by ciarannolan »

dev1n wrote: post #34
ciarannolan wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the OP of that post: >tl;dw: Man was tagging over someone else's art, Raz and group approach and separate him from crowd, chasing him for two blocks. He begins to film them with his phone, they take it from him. He tries to get it back and they attack him, kicking him in the head and breaking his glasses. At one point, Raz threatens to shoot the man. They then begin to gaslight him that it was all his fault. Aud…

Raz isn't a reason why the police exist. Raz is a product of a system where the police exist too much, which if given the proper social and educational services earlier in his life, his character and personality disorder exemplified here would have been nullified.

At what point are adults responsible for their own actions?

This guy and his crew beat up and threatened to kill someone for a petty crime. What does that have to do with the police existing "too much"?

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by quantummkv »

eplanit wrote: post #14

"Within the self governed blocks you can find food vendors, daily marches, public film screenings and community councils hosted throughout the day". Performance Art, I guess. Reads like a story of children building a treehouse/fort.

To me this whole thing reads more like the plot and gameplay of the next Far Cry game. What a time to be alive.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by necrotic_comp »

Pfhreak wrote: post #16

Seattle police vacated the east precinct, fully expecting protesters to burn it down. Instead, the protesters set up an open zone, compiled a set of demands, and from all accounts set up something cool and unique. Here's hoping it sustains itself for a while.

I think it's going to be difficult to sustain without either strong leadership or strong collective decision making ; my gut tells me it's going to go the way of Zuccoti Park rather Christiana.

It would be nice if it could sustain itself, but it will likely creak under its own weight in a month or so.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by Pfhreak »

jerf wrote: post #21
Pfhreak wrote: post #16

Seattle police vacated the east precinct, fully expecting protesters to burn it down. Instead, the protesters set up an open zone, compiled a set of demands, and from all accounts set up something cool and unique. Here's hoping it sustains itself for a while.

No, not even remotely "by all accounts". There are plenty of accounts that isn't "cool and unique" but is just another place ruled by violent thugs: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/h077uv/raz_simone_... I'm not passing judgment yet since the days are young and the political bias on the ground is thick in both directions. But it is definitely not "by all accounts". But my personal bias on the table is that y…

I watched that video, I saw someone coming in and defacing peoples homes. The people filming asked if they had permission, then asked the person to stop. The person refused to stop painting and pushed the group of folks and there was a scuffle that ended with the tagger walking away.

Aside, intentionally or unintentionally, calling a group of predominantly black people "thugs" is a common dog whistle.

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