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After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Post by mcast »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #189
chkaloon wrote: post #168

I find it interesting that groups like Anonymous and Lulz Sec, whatever that is, aren't more active right now. Seems like there's lots of opportunity for causing mayhem at the moment. Maybe anti-cyber criminal work has gotten really good?

Many of them were arrested. The leader of LulzSec - Sabu - worked with the feds to capture several individuals. You can read about it on his wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hector_Monsegur

> It was the laziness that got him.

> Sabu had always been cautious, hiding his Internet protocol address through proxy servers. But then just once he slipped. He logged into an Internet relay chatroom from his own IP address without masking it. All it took was once. The feds had a fix on him. (https://www.foxnews.com/tech/exclusive-unmasking-the-worlds-...)

Fascinating that an auto-login setting on his mIRC client probably led him to be caught.

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Post by dathinab »

throwablePie wrote: post #87

> "Caging me for a decade is not rehabilitating. I may be making excuses for myself, though there is a lesson that could have been learned with the same amount of value for justice if the sentence was 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, even 6 years." From the article at: https://forklog.media/ex-convicted-hacker-ghostexodus-severi... I don't consider myself a bleeding heart lib but I think that a decade in prison is excessiv…

The US is the country with the highest ratio of their population being imprisoned.

The idea behind their long sentences is that if you know you get super long sentences you won't commit crime. Rehabilitation isn't in the agenda. That this is known to not work well is ignored by large part of the government.

The lawmaker in the US panicked when making hacking laws as they didn't understood it and people told them that is viable that expert hackers can literally singlehandedly start amagedon by having nuclear missels. Through unreasonable penalties for hacking are not unreasonable.

Or at least that's how it looks to me.

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

jmcqk6 wrote: post #160
libertine wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the punishment a way to stop people from trying to commit a crime? Because you seem to be focusing on the outcome/consequences of someone that committed a crime and got caught. It's not like the punishment is the result of "bad luck" or "unexpected circumstances", it was a deliberate conscious action, right? Also some of these actions aren't a burst of irrationality and poor thought process - they are planned a…

When I've looked into people who commits crimes and why, they rarely are considering the judicial system and the possible consequences of their actions. Harsh punishments do not seem to actually function as a determent in real life. From my perspective, harsh punishments is more about revenge than anything else. They're a simple way to feel like you're doing the right thing, as long as you don't examine it too closel…

That might be true for first time offenders but what about repeat offenders? They can't be said to not be familiar with the possible judicial consequences of their actions.

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Post by wpietri »

jimbokun wrote: post #79
annoyingnoob wrote: post #56

I recently had someone in a restroom ask me how to flush the toilet. The toilets had IR sensors and flushed automatically. This person had been in prison for many years and had never seen that before. I think part of the social reform that people are protesting for recently needs to extend to people in prison. Our system does nothing to rehabilitate people or to prepare them to re-enter society. We need to treat pris…

Nowhere in the article does he ask for empathy, just describes what he is experiencing.

He doesn't have to explicitly ask for it. That's what the whole piece is about.

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Post by [deleted] »

jki275 wrote: post #177
haakonhr wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't he try to hire a hitman to murder some associate of his?

He wasn't charged with that, although all reports indicate he did do it. All sorts of conspiracy theories as to why he wasn't charged, most likely boils down to LE or prosecutorial incompetence.

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Post by dragonwriter »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #213
jmcqk6 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I've looked into people who commits crimes and why, they rarely are considering the judicial system and the possible consequences of their actions. Harsh punishments do not seem to actually function as a determent in real life. From my perspective, harsh punishments is more about revenge than anything else. They're a simple way to feel like you're doing the right thing, as long as you don't examine it too closel…

That might be true for first time offenders but what about repeat offenders? They can't be said to not be familiar with the possible judicial consequences of their actions.

You are conflating “aware of” with “considering in their decision making” (that is, you are assuming rationality-but-for-limited-information).

That's a nice idealized model of human decision-making except for that it's not even approximately how people actually make decisions.

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Post by C1sc0cat »

FerretFred wrote: post #102
throwablePie wrote: post #87

> "Caging me for a decade is not rehabilitating. I may be making excuses for myself, though there is a lesson that could have been learned with the same amount of value for justice if the sentence was 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, even 6 years." From the article at: https://forklog.media/ex-convicted-hacker-ghostexodus-severi... I don't consider myself a bleeding heart lib but I think that a decade in prison is excessiv…

In the UK, crime against property regularly attracts harsh sentencing; crime against the person not so much. Why? I think it perpetuates our historical values. The Government believes we're expendable, although useful enough to pay tax.

Not for hacking though rob a bank of 70k you get much longer sentences than a hacker stealing the same amount by hacking email and redirecting a payment.

Arguably the UK is soft on hacking as there are several News international Hacks that should be doing 5-10

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Post by [deleted] »

KSteffensen wrote: post #155
save_ferris wrote: post #35

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In my observations of the American public, people generally seem to be fine with the extreme sentences and punishment that the system doles out. We’re completely apathetic towards most criminals (usually unless they happen to be rich & white), without understanding the circumstances that created their situation. Take the Crystal Mason case. She’s a Texas woman of color who voted illegally in the 2016 election and got…

What's the idea behind convicted felons not being allowed to vote?

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Post by banads »

esperent wrote: post #188
devalgo wrote: post #180

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Us has the highest verified incarceration per capita in the world and the largest number of total prisoners. So at least by verified numbers it's not really even close, the US is by far the worst. Are the numbers accurate for China or other oppressive regimes? Who knows and North Korea doesn't release numbers but they're thought to be close to or slightly higher than the US' per capita numbers. https://www.prisonstud…

So probably the only country that has very slight worse numbers in the entire world is North Korea, including all the other dictatorships and otherwise failed states. That's crazy.

Looking at US incarceration data over time, the causes are plainly obvious. Mass incarceration began shortly after the civil rights movement was ended, when Nixon launched the War on Drugs in 1971, and then skyrocketed in the 80s as even harsher bipartisan anti drug laws were passed while at the same time the CIA was found to be facilitating the importation of billions of dollars of cocaine into inner cities at the inception point of the crack epidemic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_...

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Post by danaris »

koolba wrote: post #205
aardvark291 wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Brock Turner got six months for rape. Here's a selection of decade+ prison sentences for marijuana: https://www.boulderdefenseattorney.com/top-10-non-violent-ma...

The Brock Turner case, while horrendous, is not representative of how rapes are prosecuted or sentenced. Skimming through your link, I don’t see anything involving someone with a single joint being incarcerated for anywhere near a rape charge. Some of those sentences may be out of line on their own, but you also don’t have people being put away for 20 years for being caught smoking a joint.

> The Brock Turner case, while horrendous, is not representative of how rapes are prosecuted or sentenced.

Do you have evidence that it is not commonly how rape cases against affluent white men are prosecuted or sentenced?

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