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After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Post by hn23 »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #78
annoyingnoob wrote: post #56

I recently had someone in a restroom ask me how to flush the toilet. The toilets had IR sensors and flushed automatically. This person had been in prison for many years and had never seen that before. I think part of the social reform that people are protesting for recently needs to extend to people in prison. Our system does nothing to rehabilitate people or to prepare them to re-enter society. We need to treat pris…

FWIW, the rest of the world considers prison sentences in the US to be absurdly long. This guy apparently got 10 years for hacking; in much of Europe, you'd get less than that for murder.

It is as if someone makes runs a company at a profit...

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Post by devalgo »

desstap wrote: post #107
throwablePie wrote: post #87

> "Caging me for a decade is not rehabilitating. I may be making excuses for myself, though there is a lesson that could have been learned with the same amount of value for justice if the sentence was 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, even 6 years." From the article at: https://forklog.media/ex-convicted-hacker-ghostexodus-severi... I don't consider myself a bleeding heart lib but I think that a decade in prison is excessiv…

You are in Asia right? Let’s see China - disappeared for comparing xi jing ping the dictator to Winnie the Pooh, or mention Hong Kong or Taiwan in a postiive light on wechat Singapore - 2 years in jail for selling gum, death penalty for Having drugs Vietnam - 34 years for drug trafficking

Not defending Singapore which has extremely problematic laws on the books and I can't really speak for Vietnam but the US has far higher incarceration rates than any of those countries. Like 3-4x higher. China's numbers are probably suspect but at least on paper the US is still worse.

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Post by rib3ye »

selykg wrote: post #172
dylkil wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>10 years of prison time for a single non-violent crime is extremely rare in America. Ross Ulbricht got double life imprisonment + 40 years for a non violent crime.

I mean, paying to have someone murdered is, kinda sorta violent.

He wasn’t charged with it.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Post by rib3ye »

throwablePie wrote: post #87

> "Caging me for a decade is not rehabilitating. I may be making excuses for myself, though there is a lesson that could have been learned with the same amount of value for justice if the sentence was 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, even 6 years." From the article at: https://forklog.media/ex-convicted-hacker-ghostexodus-severi... I don't consider myself a bleeding heart lib but I think that a decade in prison is excessiv…

Think about a time you really messed up. Did it take 10 years to come to the conclusion you were wrong?

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Post by annoyingnoob »

mads wrote: post #144
annoyingnoob wrote: post #56

I recently had someone in a restroom ask me how to flush the toilet. The toilets had IR sensors and flushed automatically. This person had been in prison for many years and had never seen that before. I think part of the social reform that people are protesting for recently needs to extend to people in prison. Our system does nothing to rehabilitate people or to prepare them to re-enter society. We need to treat pris…

So what is it that determines whether you end up on the black hat route? Is it an inherent flaw within or external circumstances?

For me, I had a job. For me, it wasn't worth it to risk my income. I made a conscious choice to learn certain tools and techniques but to only use those skills to protect against their use. I could see how I could catch myself and how nothing good could come from that. If I could catch myself then someone else could catch me too.

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Post by devalgo »

malodyets wrote: post #91
throwablePie wrote: post #87

> "Caging me for a decade is not rehabilitating. I may be making excuses for myself, though there is a lesson that could have been learned with the same amount of value for justice if the sentence was 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, even 6 years." From the article at: https://forklog.media/ex-convicted-hacker-ghostexodus-severi... I don't consider myself a bleeding heart lib but I think that a decade in prison is excessiv…

North Korea is harsher

Is this how low we've gotten? The only thing you can say is that the US is at least better than the most oppressive and isolated Regime in the world? I don't know what that says about your world view or the US.

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

CountSessine wrote: post #170

In the summer of 2011, I was appealing my sentence. I had no affordable way to contact my attorney Just to be clear, is he saying that his prison was actually charging him $0.05/email to consult with his attorney over his appeal?

I'm curious about this too. He also mentioned not being able to access a lawyer at all when he was in max security. I thought access to a lawyer was a constant right - even after incarceration - and available free of charge?

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Post by esperent »

devalgo wrote: post #180
mcv wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are problably plenty of dictatorships that punish harsher than the US, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find democratic, freedom-loving countries that punish harsher than the US does. Except maybe when it comes to crimes by rich/important people with good connections.

Us has the highest verified incarceration per capita in the world and the largest number of total prisoners. So at least by verified numbers it's not really even close, the US is by far the worst. Are the numbers accurate for China or other oppressive regimes? Who knows and North Korea doesn't release numbers but they're thought to be close to or slightly higher than the US' per capita numbers. https://www.prisonstud…

So probably the only country that has very slight worse numbers in the entire world is North Korea, including all the other dictatorships and otherwise failed states. That's crazy.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

chkaloon wrote: post #168

I find it interesting that groups like Anonymous and Lulz Sec, whatever that is, aren't more active right now. Seems like there's lots of opportunity for causing mayhem at the moment. Maybe anti-cyber criminal work has gotten really good?

Many of them were arrested. The leader of LulzSec - Sabu - worked with the feds to capture several individuals. You can read about it on his wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hector_Monsegur

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Post by Mirioron »

designdesign wrote: post #41
JackFr wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and that really should be the only point for prisons (protect the public) That's not true. Our prisons should protect the public, rehabilitate prisoners in so far as they can, and, to an appropriate extent, punish. Some people are skittish about the idea of punsihment. But it's abhorrent to our sense of justice that one suffer no consequences after committing a crime. Now in general I think our prisons and sentenci…

I've suffered some significant injustice at the hands of another, and for what it's worth their punishment has provided nothing for me. My experience has completely reversed my thinking about the way criminals are treated. Punishment compounds loss and has provided nothing to me or society. If prison could effectively protect society while providing rehabilitation I don't think any specific punishment would be necess…

I think the idea of punishment is mostly preventative (because there will be consequences). However, harsher punishments don't necessarily increase this effect.
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