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Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop

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Re: Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop

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post #29

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I feel the need to point out, since this is the top comment, that there are numerous reasons to believe this piece is not real.

Can you enumerate these reasons? Just saying "there are reasons" is not very useful to anyone.

Other comments go through them but I'll surface some here:

- Single-post, anonymous account

- Weird characterizations and worded with a lot of political ideology

- "Officer A. Cab" -> ACAB

It would be incredibly easy to write a fake post exactly like this, and it just reads as very fake and unrealistic. There is zero reason to believe it's real. Let us (myself included) not indulge our preconceived notions without a critical eye.

Re: Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you enumerate these reasons? Just saying "there are reasons" is not very useful to anyone.

Other comments go through them but I'll surface some here: - Single-post, anonymous account - Weird characterizations and worded with a lot of political ideology - "Officer A. Cab" -> ACAB It would be incredibly easy to write a fake post exactly like this, and it just reads as very fake and unrealistic. There is zero reason to believe it's real. Let us (myself included) not indulge our preconceived notions without a…

Can you offer any evidence about the truth or falsity of the specific claims in the article? Or does it just "smell fishy"? The former is enlightening; the latter is based solely on circumstantial evidence and suggests bias.

I'm not saying he's telling the truth about every claim made, but as a trained attorney who worked for a Federal district judge for some time, I know enough about the law and have met enough LEOs in person not to completely discount everything said here.

Re: Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other comments go through them but I'll surface some here: - Single-post, anonymous account - Weird characterizations and worded with a lot of political ideology - "Officer A. Cab" -> ACAB It would be incredibly easy to write a fake post exactly like this, and it just reads as very fake and unrealistic. There is zero reason to believe it's real. Let us (myself included) not indulge our preconceived notions without a…

Can you offer any evidence about the truth or falsity of the specific claims in the article? Or does it just "smell fishy"? The former is enlightening; the latter is based solely on circumstantial evidence and suggests bias. I'm not saying he's telling the truth about every claim made, but as a trained attorney who worked for a Federal district judge for some time, I know enough about the law and have met enough LEOs…

I can compare the value of incorporating this into my worldview if it is true, against the harm of incorporating it if it isn't true. If it's true, it doesn't tell me anything new or inform my opinions in any helpful way. If it's false, it needlessly entrenches my already strong feelings on the matter and gives me a charged, bad data point.

I'm automatically suspicious of anything that plays too perfectly into whatever my emotions want me to believe. I don't see any downside to discarding this one, suspect data point among many other, less-suspect ones.

Re: Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop

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I am a law abiding citizen and only had a handful of situations when I had to deal with police and all of them were absolutely awful: 1) found a wallet with some documents,cards,etc. Went to the police station just to be told they don't have facilities to store such items and suggested to destroy the cards,as the person would have changed them all anyway. When I visited the same station second time, I noticed an enti…

I learned similar lessons about police when I was a kid. We would get burglarized almost every year by the same house down the street. Every time we called the police they would show up a day later and spend most of their time doing nothing and trying to blame us for getting robbed. They cared so little about actual crime.

At the same time some cop from the same department wrote up my brother for "Riding a motorcycle on the sidewalk while not wearing a helmet on his bicycle, crossing a street (Pedestrian) without a walk sign, and running a red left turn in a car. He got 200 hours of community service because the judge (Not really a judge but some ticket approver clerk) decided he didn't care if it made sense. He was doing community service next to a guy that beat and robbed an elderly woman who got 40 hours instead...

Then we moved to a different city and the sheriffs there were GREAT. You would meet them out and about and they would say hi and hang out. They actually cared about their jobs and spent their time keeping the community safe. Report a car stereo stolen to them and they would set up stings and bait cars! For a car stereo!

The first city was leasing their cops from a notoriously bad city next door. The second city funded their own Sheriff, spent tons of money on them to keep them well trained, and was super politically active (Mostly retirees). Both cities were within 50 miles of each other.

Consistency of police in the USA is all over the place. I think the ACAB movement is missing something. They are alienating the groups that can actually make a difference with policing. The LEOs who are actually good at their jobs and the people who honestly cherish them. At the same time I know what kind of cop they are really after!

Re: Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop

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post #20

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Capitalism is not binary - the countries you mentioned are predominantly capitalist but have more robust social safety nets for people in need. They also (generally) don't have things like civil forfeiture, for-profit prisons, "cash" bail and corporate control of politicians by "donation". All are aspects of capitalism taken to the extreme (IMHO). I agree it was suspect wording though. It would have served the author…

> Capitalism is not binary I think this is the biggest problem with political discourse right now. We don't really have the vocabulary to accurately describe the status quo or a desired end state we should aim for.

I agree. It's especially difficult since the "S" word has become synonymous with "anti-American" due to (mostly) conservative rhetoric.

Re: Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you offer any evidence about the truth or falsity of the specific claims in the article? Or does it just "smell fishy"? The former is enlightening; the latter is based solely on circumstantial evidence and suggests bias. I'm not saying he's telling the truth about every claim made, but as a trained attorney who worked for a Federal district judge for some time, I know enough about the law and have met enough LEOs…

I can compare the value of incorporating this into my worldview if it is true, against the harm of incorporating it if it isn't true. If it's true, it doesn't tell me anything new or inform my opinions in any helpful way. If it's false, it needlessly entrenches my already strong feelings on the matter and gives me a charged, bad data point. I'm automatically suspicious of anything that plays too perfectly into whatev…

I read the article with the same skepticism. That’s why I quoted it. I did not mean my quote to imply agreement.

The article seemed like police fan fiction, or social science fiction. It describes events that may have happened for reasons of causality and reality; they just as likely happened for narrative impact and viral effect. I try to assume good faith but the context is so unverifiable as to be satirical.

It’s not beyond the pale, however, and that is worrying. This could have happened, and even worse things have been done by law enforcement in America, things which haven’t had as much airtime as this post. That is the true tragedy, and that is the kernel of truth in the post, regardless of its veracity.

Re: Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop

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'We used to have informal contests for who could cite or arrest someone for the weirdest law. DUI on a bicycle, non-regulation number of brooms on your tow truck (27700(a)(1) of the California Vehicle Code)… shit like that. For me, police work was a logic puzzle for arresting people, regardless of their actual threat to the community. As ashamed as I am to admit it, it needs to be said: stripping people of their free…

I find the post hard to believe. There's zero evidence any of this is real.

Although the quality of the author’s writing is surprising, we need to ask good questions about what was written. If the claims are false, they should be easy to disprove. Just because this story sounds hard to believe doesnt relieve us of the duty to ensure its not true. Eg big company. Controller suspected of fraud. Company investigates even though they cant believe it would be true.
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