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Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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> Musk went as far as to dare authorities to arrest him. Is this referring to this tweet ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1259945593805221891 ) that said "Tesla is restarting production today against Alameda County rules. I will be on the line with everyone else. If anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me." ?

You mean where Musk is basically saying “please don’t hold my demands of my workers against them. Punish me instead, please?”

bail is cheaper than missing production targets.

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could not agree more. I do not understand why this is not more widely understood.

It's different if a company re-opened against guidelines and is not considered "essential." Is making a few more cars really that essential? Different companies have different roles to play. And if shutting down non-essentials can reduce the rate of infection, it improve the outcome for _everyone_ afterwards.

> And if shutting down non-essentials can reduce the rate of infection, it improve the outcome for _everyone_ afterwards.

For how long? What if there is never a vaccine? Will we hide in our homes forever?

There is a reason California is reopening. Lockdowns just can't last forever. We have to move on and do the best we can to live with the virus as a normal part of life, even though it means more people are going to get sick.

We should also all be uncomfortable with the government deciding which companies deserve to survive. We are supposed to have a market economy. We can put up with those kinds of government controls as short-term emergency measures, but they would cause economic collapse in the long term.

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

#53

Here's an example of how workers were pressured to come into work: The state approved Tesla to work. It's the county that is concerned. But if you decline to come to work, just know you will not receive benefits and you will be unable to apply for unemployment since we have work available. We can't force you to come in if you don't feel comfortable. https://twitter.com/PlainSite/status/1270110558071566337

> PlainSite affiliates may hold long/short investments in companies discussed. Not investment advice. Interesting account there ...

The screenshot comes from a FOIA request from Alameda County.

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

#54
Washington Post actually have more details as to where this seat assembly facility is:

The Washington Post: Tesla defied county orders so it could restart production. Days later, workers tested positive for the coronavirus.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/06/09/tesla-f...

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

#55
post #6

> Musk went as far as to dare authorities to arrest him. Is this referring to this tweet ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1259945593805221891 ) that said "Tesla is restarting production today against Alameda County rules. I will be on the line with everyone else. If anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me." ?

I’m curious if you think Tesla should still be closed now?

to the point that any business should be. as in, if they take reasonable precautions I am all for any business being opened. it is far easier to contain the issue in a factory floor than the supermarket many will be in on their way home.

that is the lunacy of the closings, they lack logic, as in rules being used and implied risk against other types of businesses opening have been glossed over for those already deemed essential.

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

#56
post #5

We complain about the media then upvote this junk. Maybe we are the problem.

Was there ever a time where you doubted that the demand for junk news was the problem? I don't complain about "the media" because they are just following the incentives their viewers leave for them. "The media" was never exclusive to high brow, balanced journalism. It has always included the tabloid rags, celebrity gossip, useless trivia about sports, outrage inducing politics, etc.

Fact: National Enquirer has been A/B testing since the grandparents of the founders of Facebook were in diapers.

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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It would be great if people writing articles like this (I hesitate to call them journalists these days) could take the time to provide more context. According to the county dashboard, Alameda County had 2,564 cases on May 20, 2 days after Tesla reopened: https://ac-hcsa.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html... With a population of 1,671,000, that means about 0.15% of Alameda County residents had been diagnosed…

The original article is by a writer of the Washington Post. If this doesn't count as journalism, I struggle to find examples that do.

The journalist spoke with two workers within the production facility. "One of the workers said a supervisor confirmed two positive cases to a group at the Fremont-based seat assembly facility" This is an example of just one supervisor confirming two positive cases. It is likely that there are many more.

Furthermore, "But because Tesla restarted production a week earlier, there could have been cases that were never reported to the county because Tesla was “not required to directly report known cases” before the agreement, county officials said."

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

#58

Somewhere in Musk's calculus, he must have determined just how many people can get sick and die without it being too much of a PR problem.

Aren't all "reopening" in any state/country doing the same calculation, until COVID 19 is completely eradicated or vaccine is readily available?

By this reasoning, only New Zealand should reopen at all: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/world/australia/new-zeala...

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious if you think Tesla should still be closed now?

I'm not sure. It would be good to prevent spread of disease. But also, Tesla's mission ( https://www.tesla.com/about ) is "to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy." This is a generational timescale business - in Musk's mind an extra 1.5% of population dying is probably worth it - especially if the alternative is Tesla dies. Edit - here's an interesting question - how many lives is accelerating the…

If we're so concerned about the Tesla factory to the point of contemplating shutdowns, how do we feel about the scenes of bars and beaches filled with people all over the US?
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