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Post by Xelbair »

colechristensen wrote: post #122
ShamelessC wrote: post #71

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I've noticed certain communities that live on the edge of tech-savvy do this a lot. In particular emulator and jailbreak communities for video game consoles refuse to keep up-to-date text guides on things. Everything is done on YouTube which is such a terrible format when you need to follow 30-step lists and pause to click on many links throughout the process to download software, firmware and exploits.

Honestly, a hard to follow YouTube video is better than digging through hundreds of pages of forum posts in attempts to find the right one. Of course clear, concise, and findable documentation is always better, but at least if someone is doing it on youtube there is demonstrable evidence that the process functioned once.

in such cases you have to compare it with digging through hundreds of pages of shitty video tutorials to find the good one

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Post by ethbro »

anoncow wrote: post #109
Pxtl wrote: post #96

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I think Youtube's monetization does it... they want to earn cash from their guides. Is there any money in "Youtube for Articles?"

"YouTube for Articles" used to be blogs.

YouTube for tech articles, circa late-1990s, was ZDTV / TechTV.

A format that seems to work well with non-article is {topical content} + {multiple knowledgeable hosts} + {free form talk format with some segments}.

Early-MTV, the Screen Savers, and Car Talk were all essentially this format.

Good background noise to have playing while working. And the host-host, informal interaction makes it playable for longer than a pure just-the-facts source.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=soK1_DaFym0

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Post by tutfbhuf »

louiskottmann wrote: post #170
tutfbhuf wrote: post #158

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> I'm a generally technical person and I'm simply flat out uninterested in video content There are many good videos lectures available on YouTube from Stanford, MIT and other universities. You also have student questions on tape, very much like sitting in the real lecture. Could you explain what exactly makes the content uninteresting, when it is in video format?

Whenever I see video content I automatically think "I do not have time for this". Text lets me efficiently skip through most of articles if they do not get to the point, or if they linger in ELI5. The more I know about a field, the more I want to skip bits, because I don't need to be explained the basics over again.

I am perfectly capable of skipping the video forward until it gets interesting for me, same like a book. Sometimes you even have skip marks provided by the uploader or user comments where you can jump right into the interesting chapter.

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Post by rebolek »

colechristensen wrote: post #122
ShamelessC wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed certain communities that live on the edge of tech-savvy do this a lot. In particular emulator and jailbreak communities for video game consoles refuse to keep up-to-date text guides on things. Everything is done on YouTube which is such a terrible format when you need to follow 30-step lists and pause to click on many links throughout the process to download software, firmware and exploits.

Honestly, a hard to follow YouTube video is better than digging through hundreds of pages of forum posts in attempts to find the right one. Of course clear, concise, and findable documentation is always better, but at least if someone is doing it on youtube there is demonstrable evidence that the process functioned once.

You are comparing a video that you already found to a forum that you need to search first.

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Post by iso1631 »

sixhobbits wrote: post #195

Genuinely curious, My possibly biased perception is that people in Europe are more "internationally aware" (for lack of a better word) than those in the US. e.g. a website that is built in Europe but likely to attract international interest will include a timezone. The schedule[0] for this just has dates and times. I have no idea when anything is, though some of it looks interesting. Is there a "default" timezone tha…

While Europe is more internationally aware, I think the U.S. is more timezone aware. Most people in the UK think of times as being "GMT" (even in summer when it's GMT+1). In Europe almost everywhere is CET (UK+1, so GMT+1 in winter, GMT+2 in summer). Timezones only really kick in intercontinentally

In the US every TV show says something like "join us at 9/8c" - timezones are far more in your day-to-day life - certainly in the past when TV was popular.

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Post by pmontra »

nindalf wrote: post #164
trog wrote: post #56

I'm a generally technical person and I'm simply flat out uninterested in video content - the stuff that will be on this sounds broadly interesting to me but I'd rather read it in article format. I understand video "performs" well in a lot of contexts (and thus is of particular interest to marketing people) but I am always surprised when content targeted broadly towards the technical community is done in a video-first…

I'm not interested in video content either. But in recent years I've found that some people respond much better to it. Anecdotally, it seems like every student on /r/programmerhumor got through their CS degree with the help of algorithms videos on youtube. Despite having trouble understanding the accent, they found it much easier to learn from the video than the book. I prefer the book, even though I would have had n…

In my current experience blog > video > book. There were only books when I was a student. The only chance I got to study on videos were some MOOCs years ago but there were no books or blogs to compare them too. The experience was mostly ok but unfortunately I often had to pause the video to read formulas and sometimes go back to listen again to some explanations. Written text is much better for that. Furthermore one hour of video is one hour of time and it's not easy to get an idea of what is coming up in the next minutes. Text makes that easy.

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Post by jannes »

Simon_says wrote: post #155
qes wrote: post #139

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> Are youtube ads really unskippable No. I never see ads on Youtube on my own devices, and that barely requires any effort.

I had to jailbreak my iPhone in order to not see Youtube ads. That qualifies as some (small) effort.

I use youtube.com (desktop version) in Mobile Safari and get adblocking without jailbreak.

I prefer the desktop website because it lets me watch the videos in better quality than the mobile website. m.youtube.com seems to limit the maximum bitrate and/or resolution of the videos. Did anyone else notice that?

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Post by lozf »

Smaug123 wrote: post #146
nine_k wrote: post #130

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len('accessibility') == 13 So a11y stands for "a word starting with 'a' then 11 letters then ending with 'y'". Compare to i18n, l10n.

I hadn't seen any of these before, and the first word I found for i18n was "iodochlorhydroxyquin". Seemed somewhat unlikely.

Wow, I'm amazed that any HN reader has not seen at least K8s for Kubernetes before... still, xkcd 10,000 strikes again.

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Post by lioeters »

eastdakota wrote: post #78
trog wrote: post #56

I'm a generally technical person and I'm simply flat out uninterested in video content - the stuff that will be on this sounds broadly interesting to me but I'd rather read it in article format. I understand video "performs" well in a lot of contexts (and thus is of particular interest to marketing people) but I am always surprised when content targeted broadly towards the technical community is done in a video-first…

Why for the last 10 years we’ve invested so much in https://blog.cloudflare.com . I’d think of this as supplementing that, and allowing you to interact live with many of the blog’s authors, rather than replacing it.

I'm also in the camp of people who almost always prefer written text for consuming information, especially technical ones. If a video has transcripts, often I read that instead of watching, since I can skim, skip, find the best parts easier.

The Cloudflare blog has excellent content, I've been a long-time fan and have shared links to it with colleagues.

All that said, I feel that Cloudflare TV is a brilliant concept. The fact that such a fresh creative idea was embraced and implemented, I can see how the company culture encourages and supports collaborative innovation.

Looking at the listing of shows, I remembered my teenage years, like how I enjoyed the variety of creative talents on early MTV. I'm excited to catch some of the Cloudflare shows live - I'll probably use the picture-in-picture feature of the browser, to have a permanent window on a corner of my screen, with the live streams.

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