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Chan Zuckerberg Initiative scientists: FB’s practices ‘antithetical’ to mission

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Re: Chan Zuckerberg Initiative scientists: FB’s practices ‘antithetical’ to mission

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Post by ComputerGuru »

llukas wrote: post #20
ryan93 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about. He decides where the money goes even when it’s in the foundation. He gets tax benefits for giving it to things considered charitable by the government.

Did they stop teaching civics in class? https://chanzuckerberg.com/grants-ventures/grants/ "Grants are awarded via three funding entities: the Chan Zuckerberg Foundation, a 501(c)3 private foundation; the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative Donor-Advised Fund (DAF) at the Silicon Valley Community Foundation; and Chan Zuckerberg Advocacy, a 501(c)4 organization." Now please do check how money needs to be spent by 501(c)3: http…

He does not need to buy a Lamborghini or a yacht with that money: there are plenty of other ways to use money to secure power or influence that do not involve the purchase of physical things.

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Post by llukas »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #21
llukas wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did they stop teaching civics in class? https://chanzuckerberg.com/grants-ventures/grants/ "Grants are awarded via three funding entities: the Chan Zuckerberg Foundation, a 501(c)3 private foundation; the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative Donor-Advised Fund (DAF) at the Silicon Valley Community Foundation; and Chan Zuckerberg Advocacy, a 501(c)4 organization." Now please do check how money needs to be spent by 501(c)3: http…

He does not need to buy a Lamborghini or a yacht with that money: there are plenty of other ways to use money to secure power or influence that do not involve the purchase of physical things.

> He still has significant control and influence that can be exerted by foundation.

You do not agree with this part or just to want to highlight influence part?

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Post by [deleted] »

boplicity wrote: post #8
tropheusduboisi wrote: post #7

I'm a scientist that benefits from this money. I'm not a Zuck fan, but I don't like strict policing of speech so I'm alright Zuck's move here. Moderate scientists keep quiet in academia for their own good.

The problem doesn't have anything to do with policing speech. The problem is the intentional propagation and promotion of inflammatory speech. It is one thing to allow hate speech, it is another to increase it's prominence because it is "more engaging." Facebook does just that.

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Post by rmrfstar »

RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #3

The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative's mission is to shelter most of Zuck's wealth from taxation while ensuring that he and his wife retain as much control over it as possible. Facebook's negative externalities are orthogonal to this mission.

Zuckerberg net worth: ~$78b.

Mean US neurosurgeon annual income: ~$600k

So Zuckerberg is worth 130K neurosurgeon-years. Neurosurgeons are the highest compensated surgery specialty [1].

In the US there are a total of 50k surgeons of any type [2].

Does anyone think that Zuckerberg created, with his own hands, >=3x the annual economic output of all US surgeons?

[1] https://medium.com/nomad-health/complete-list-of-average-doc...

[2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/209424/us-number-of-acti...

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Post by ComputerGuru »

llukas wrote: post #22
ComputerGuru wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He does not need to buy a Lamborghini or a yacht with that money: there are plenty of other ways to use money to secure power or influence that do not involve the purchase of physical things.

> He still has significant control and influence that can be exerted by foundation. You do not agree with this part or just to want to highlight influence part?

I agree with that part but I disagree that the inability to purchase an expensive car with that money in any way matters at his scale.

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Post by im3w1l »

boplicity wrote: post #8
tropheusduboisi wrote: post #7

I'm a scientist that benefits from this money. I'm not a Zuck fan, but I don't like strict policing of speech so I'm alright Zuck's move here. Moderate scientists keep quiet in academia for their own good.

The problem doesn't have anything to do with policing speech. The problem is the intentional propagation and promotion of inflammatory speech. It is one thing to allow hate speech, it is another to increase it's prominence because it is "more engaging." Facebook does just that.

Do you have any evidence that "inflammatory" opinions are disproportionally prominent compared to the fraction of people who hold said opinions?

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Post by imgabe »

rmrfstar wrote: post #24
RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #3

The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative's mission is to shelter most of Zuck's wealth from taxation while ensuring that he and his wife retain as much control over it as possible. Facebook's negative externalities are orthogonal to this mission.

Zuckerberg net worth: ~$78b. Mean US neurosurgeon annual income: ~$600k So Zuckerberg is worth 130K neurosurgeon-years. Neurosurgeons are the highest compensated surgery specialty [1]. In the US there are a total of 50k surgeons of any type [2]. Does anyone think that Zuckerberg created, with his own hands, >=3x the annual economic output of all US surgeons? [1] https://medium.com/nomad-health/complete-list-of-averag…

Neurosurgeons can only work on one patient at a time. Facebook serves over a billion people, so yes that is entirely possible.

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Post by weareconvo »

rmrfstar wrote: post #24
RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #3

The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative's mission is to shelter most of Zuck's wealth from taxation while ensuring that he and his wife retain as much control over it as possible. Facebook's negative externalities are orthogonal to this mission.

Zuckerberg net worth: ~$78b. Mean US neurosurgeon annual income: ~$600k So Zuckerberg is worth 130K neurosurgeon-years. Neurosurgeons are the highest compensated surgery specialty [1]. In the US there are a total of 50k surgeons of any type [2]. Does anyone think that Zuckerberg created, with his own hands, >=3x the annual economic output of all US surgeons? [1] https://medium.com/nomad-health/complete-list-of-averag…

Every single question of that form is impossible to answer with mere words. Luckily, people CAN answer it through aggregate choice, so we don't have to worry about it.

...but since I feel like taking the bait, something like 9 trillion people use Facebook for at least 36 hours a day, while at MOST 4 people ever even need to consult a neurosurgeon per YEAR. So he's clearly the winner there.

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Post by ironchief »

rmrfstar wrote: post #24
RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #3

The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative's mission is to shelter most of Zuck's wealth from taxation while ensuring that he and his wife retain as much control over it as possible. Facebook's negative externalities are orthogonal to this mission.

Zuckerberg net worth: ~$78b. Mean US neurosurgeon annual income: ~$600k So Zuckerberg is worth 130K neurosurgeon-years. Neurosurgeons are the highest compensated surgery specialty [1]. In the US there are a total of 50k surgeons of any type [2]. Does anyone think that Zuckerberg created, with his own hands, >=3x the annual economic output of all US surgeons? [1] https://medium.com/nomad-health/complete-list-of-averag…

Yes.

Re: Chan Zuckerberg Initiative scientists: FB’s practices ‘antithetical’ to mission

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Post by jeffreyrogers »

There are also a lot of people who think the way media companies are acting (in terms of censoring/suppressing speech they don't agree with) is horrifying but are afraid to speak out against it because they fear the social or economic consequences of doing so.
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