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Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Post by dang »

zarkov99 wrote: post #80
minimaxir wrote: post #3

Relevant context: recently, former Reddit CEO Ellen Pao called out Reddit for their policies after Reddit did a statement on Black Lives Matter: > I am obligated to call you out: You should have shut down the_donald instead of amplifying it and its hate, racism, and violence. So much of what is happening now lies at your feet. You don't get to say BLM when reddit nurtures and monetizes white supremacy and hate all da…

Ellen Pao is a con artist and a parasite. Her playbook is well known and its widespread use is responsible for more division than a silly discussion group on Reddit: Virtue signal on every platform you can get on and use the race/gender card to get jobs far beyond your actual merit and when things go sideways just double down and sue your employer as your racists/misogynists/trans phobic/homophobic/xenophobic employe…

Personal attacks will get you banned here. No more of this please.

Perhaps you don't owe a particular person better, but you definitely owe this community better if you're participating here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Post by sailingparrot »

cwhiz wrote: post #438
sailingparrot wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're going to have to pick one of these two statements. Absolutly not. Repeating myself from a bit further down: It's basically the same issue with all social platform, yes everyone should have the right to express their views, but mass amplification via the platform's algorithm shouldn't be a right. Also, > let the audience determine what makes it to the front page /r/t_d was gaming the upvote system to have way…

Do you think the alt right is gaming the first amendment by holding rallies that get mass coverage?

No because it's part of your rights as an individual.

Gaming Reddit's upvote system is however directly prohibited by the ToS:

> [...] the following behaviors are prohibited on Reddit:

* Asking for votes or engaging in vote manipulation [...]

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Post by cwhiz »

sailingparrot wrote: post #442
cwhiz wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the alt right is gaming the first amendment by holding rallies that get mass coverage?

No because it's part of your rights as an individual. Gaming Reddit's upvote system is however directly prohibited by the ToS: > [...] the following behaviors are prohibited on Reddit: * Asking for votes or engaging in vote manipulation [...]

You can’t hide behind the terms of service. That is just something reddit made up. There is no fundamental difference between these two scenarios except whatever you’ve invented in your mind.

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Post by disposekinetics »

icedchai wrote: post #253
disposekinetics wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know of any federated/distributed alternatives to reddit? Although, maybe the argument is we don't actually need a social media platform at all just RSS.

Usenet was the original "reddit."

Forgive the ignorance, but how do I access Usenet? I tried to look it up and I don't feel any closer.

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Post by s9w »

dang wrote: post #371
s9w wrote: post #4

I really don't know what they want anymore. How much cleaner than Reddit does it get? There is nothing left that is even remotely controversial. I'm so confused. The way he said BLACK candidate also feels really weird. We get it - you want to virtue signal. Make it a little less obvious.

Would you please stop using HN for ideological battle? It's against the site guidelines for good reason—it destroys curious conversation in two ways: first by being predictable (so the signal/noise ratio goes down) and second by being inflammatory (so it evokes worse from other people, leading to a downward spiral). Also, please don't post flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments generally. You've been doing that a lo…

I genuinely think you have it backwards. The SNR went down significantly during the last weeks - which is understandable with events that dominate the news cycle so much. But HN was absolutely flooded with feel-good, no-content articles about just how good the author is, with everyone in the comments chiming in on how good they are and how bad all the opposing voices are.

That is not "signal". Voices like mine and the few others are though. And they are certainly not predictable as they're literally against the overwhelming majority of homogeneous posts in the other direction. The following downward spiral is evidently caused by the majority who doubles and triples down on their virtue signalling - not the people causing the signal/"trouble".

Now I know what you really mean of course. You don't want dissenting opinions. But you shouldn't frame this as a SNR issue.

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Post by lemmonii »

belorn wrote: post #411
hfourm wrote: post #191

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People on the donald openly celebrated violence in top upvoted posts. Tons of open racism. Politics has turned into a bit of an echo chamber compared to 10 years ago, but it is in no way the same as T_D. That "dropping pretense" you describe carries a LOT more weight than you are giving it, in who it attracts, and the behaviors it promotes.

I would very much like to see a study on that. Because of the reddit quarantine I can't use a subreddit analysis tool to compare the subs. The only conclusion I can see is that both politics and the donald is likely to share the same word as the most commonly used: Trump. I would in particular be interesting to know if there is a significant difference in offensive words used in either sub.

T_D moved offsite to escape censorship from reddit, i will not post the url here but it is easily findable

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Post by lemmonii »

sickygnar wrote: post #137
nromiun wrote: post #86

Reddit and 4Chan are the two sides of the same coin for me. Just their ideologies are different. At least the people on 4Chan are self aware about how toxic they are. But the mods (at least on the popular subreddits) on reddit love to ban anything that isn't far left. I don't mind echo chambers but the lack of self awareness always rubs me the wrong way.

4chan is unmoderated, reddit is heavily moderated. how on earth are they 2 sides of the same coin? nowadays, it seems like anything unmoderated starts going right. it used to be the opposite. mildly OT - the only thing they have in common is that they are infiltrated by bots which just serve to amplify the extreme discourse. there are some interesting bot-bait threads on 4chan where people communicate text via obfusc…

4chan is moderated. https://4chan.org/rules#global

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Post by lemmonii »

asdff wrote: post #216
sevenf0ur wrote: post #55

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Yes, I routinely see left leaning political ads on the front page. I really don't see what good could come from Alexis's resignation. The site is already a left leaning echo chamber and most of the controversial subs are quarantined or outright banned. Any new ones that crop up are routinely removed. The most controversial (the_donald) has been effectively shutdown for months and removed from r/all for years. What mo…

It's simple, you take the inverse. If you are looking for the right leaning accounts, look at the most downvoted and controversial comments in a given political thread. I will say that true conservatism is few and far between, and it doesn't help that the viral strategy the GOP has settled on in recent years is heaps and heaps of outright false or racist memes, so there just isn't much good right leaning content bein…

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Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Post by lemmonii »

fullshark wrote: post #243
s9w wrote: post #4

I really don't know what they want anymore. How much cleaner than Reddit does it get? There is nothing left that is even remotely controversial. I'm so confused. The way he said BLACK candidate also feels really weird. We get it - you want to virtue signal. Make it a little less obvious.

Man I remember how much of a controversy it was when they killed /r/jailbait and a bunch of other subreddits. That was back when it actually seemed like a community with inside jokes about narwhals and bacon and nonsense. I don't know if their desire to please advertisers is responsible for the fact that it's now a ragebait click farm, but it sure seems like they are connected.

That was a long long time ago, remember when the comments on reddit were actually filled with some intelligent discussion?

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Post by randyrand »

minimaxir wrote: post #3

Relevant context: recently, former Reddit CEO Ellen Pao called out Reddit for their policies after Reddit did a statement on Black Lives Matter: > I am obligated to call you out: You should have shut down the_donald instead of amplifying it and its hate, racism, and violence. So much of what is happening now lies at your feet. You don't get to say BLM when reddit nurtures and monetizes white supremacy and hate all da…

censoring conservative subreddits only makes the people in them more detached and more upset. It’s why Donald Trump is president right now. When will we learn?
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