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Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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So on a supposedly unbiased website the only place conservatives can hang out is at r/unpopularopinion? That doesn't sound wrong to you? And yes, even on non-political subreddits politics has taken root. Any time there is a political photo it turns into a full blown political subreddit.

>So on a supposedly unbiased website the only place conservatives can hang out is at r/unpopularopinion? That doesn't sound wrong to you? Conservatives are a minority in America, so it makes sense their opinions would be unpopular by virtue of that. There's nothing that's not political, every aspect of life is political, how we distribute resources, interact with our neighbors, basically everything is political and s…

If they are a minority then how did they manage to elect a president?

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Do you know of any federated/distributed alternatives to reddit? Although, maybe the argument is we don't actually need a social media platform at all just RSS.

From what I can tell, Lemmy seems to be this: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy Littr seems to be federated too: https://littr.me/ That's about it for federated Reddit alternatives, at least that I can find. And I don't think the federated aspect has caught on yet for either.

Just a quick note that from what I understand, Lemmy is not yet federated but they are actively pushing to implement the ActivityPub protocol.

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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I really don't know what they want anymore. How much cleaner than Reddit does it get? There is nothing left that is even remotely controversial. I'm so confused. The way he said BLACK candidate also feels really weird. We get it - you want to virtue signal. Make it a little less obvious.

Man I remember how much of a controversy it was when they killed /r/jailbait and a bunch of other subreddits. That was back when it actually seemed like a community with inside jokes about narwhals and bacon and nonsense.

I don't know if their desire to please advertisers is responsible for the fact that it's now a ragebait click farm, but it sure seems like they are connected.

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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But that's why she was ousted: https://www.wired.com/2015/07/reddit-ceo-ellen-pao-steps-dow... Turns out only allowing speech that you deem acceptable makes for a pretty boring internet forum.

Here we are on HN, one of the most censored and moderated forums on the internet. Personally, I find it quite refreshing.

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Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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It has a lot of far right misinformation, fake news and articles from fishy sites. The mods are biased and wont moderate those. E.g from yesterday https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/gwgv6i/awfully_...

Sounds like typical conspiracy theory behavior to me, not sure what you expected from a conspiracy subreddit or why you would want the subreddit banned.

Outright falsehoods aren't always conspiracies, they usually lie in the unknowns. It's one thing to say Clinton is a secret Chinese sympathizer, it's another thing to say she was born and brought up in China. Many of the fake news things fall into the latter category, just lies designed to promote the far right.

Conspiracy theories used to more neutral like 5 years ago. Now they're exclusively far right and anti-liberal.

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Relevant context: recently, former Reddit CEO Ellen Pao called out Reddit for their policies after Reddit did a statement on Black Lives Matter: > I am obligated to call you out: You should have shut down the_donald instead of amplifying it and its hate, racism, and violence. So much of what is happening now lies at your feet. You don't get to say BLM when reddit nurtures and monetizes white supremacy and hate all da…

This is just scape-goating and finding something recent to blame for a situation that has been going on for 150+ years. Besides, it was effectively shut down, and all that did was lead to the creation of thedonald.win, which by all appearances seems to be thriving and growing rapidly, probably much faster than Reddit itself grew when it was founded. To blame the situation on a forum is to misunderstand that the count…

> Besides, it was effectively shut down, and all that did was lead to the creation of thedonald.win

You don't end up on thedonald.win by chance, you go there purposefully. For a long time /r/t_d wasn't quarantined at all meaning anyone browsing /r/all would see their posts all day long (since they were pretty good at mass upvoting their own posts for that purpose).

I don't think anyone advocates for entirely banning this community from the internet, freedom of speech is still important, but just not have it in a place where it might get surfaced and advertised to people that weren't looking for it. So to me, thedonald.win and /r/t_d are very different.

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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What "political agenda"? If anything, the original core of the site was very left-leaning or heterodox technophiles that didn't have a home on Slashdot. The political parts of the site are now very much deadlocked in the center-right frame of the Democratic party, pretty far away from what the site once was.

> the original core of the site was very left-leaning I don't remember it that way. I remember it being very libertarian (Ron Paul was the Bernie Sanders of 2000's reddit) for a very long time. I believed that the shift to a left-wing orientation was organic and representative of the general population UNTIL the whole T_D thing came along... T_D was doing the same thing, pulling the site to the right, until Reddit's…

I find it pretty funny that you're accusing reddit of being "artificially liberal" when it's actually organically liberal thanks to its demographics and history. The market has chosen, isn't that the libertarian way?

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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I think if TD were banned in 2016, there's a decent chance the world would look even worse and more polarized today, due to the backlash and chain reactions that would have occurred. Picture "TOP SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANY BANS SUPPORT OF THE PRESIDENT" headlines running for months. Picture Trump bringing it up in hundreds of speeches and tweets, demanding regulation and saying how unfair it is that he and his supporters a…

I don’t think this alarmist view makes much sense because all of that has happened, and more. The Right (the group of angry young white men inhabiting r/the_donald not conservative voters) spend every moment outraged about censorship and supposed sleights against them — real or not. Everything you describe is happening every single day and has been since before Donald Trump and will continue after him. If the_donald…

> Everything you describe is happening every single day and has been since before Donald Trump and will continue after him.

Yes, it has been and it is and it will, but everything is relative. No matter how bad a bad situation is, it can always get worse. You may not like the US now, but for all we know you could be begging to return to June 2020 when June 2021 comes around.

Every little thing like this increases his odds of re-election and the odds that people will think he's right or at least has a point. If reddit bans the subreddit for him and his supporters and doesn't ban any others, that could actually turn some non-Trump voters into Trump voters, and definitely increases the odds that his people will get out and vote.

>spend every moment outraged about censorship and supposed sleights against them — real or not

Sure, but then here they would have a real sleight, a real example of censorship, and a concrete and empirical thing to be outraged about, as well as a coherent and persuasive argument about the larger implications of the censorship and potential future risks they may face. It's the perfect way to empower them and bolster their intensity and their numbers.

He is very good at taking inflammatory stories, running with them, and getting other people fired up about them, too. He is extremely persuasive not only to his base, but also can be to some people who are closer to the middle. Reddit banning the subreddit and not allowing another one be created for him would be an escalation and a turning point. It's a major line in the sand, and would be a major talking point for him.

It may sound alarmist, but I'm saying this because I am genuinely alarmed at what could have happened and what might happen in the future. His supporters exist in the tens of millions, and they're going to talk with each other one way or another. If they're unable to talk with each other or about him without being banned on popular websites, they're left with no choice but to instead do it on insane cult-like conspiracy theory websites (trust me, if you think TD is bad, just try looking at some of those sites), where they'll be increasingly polarized and will increasingly believe even more dangerous and extravagantly false things.

The more large organizations try to restrict a particular group, the angrier they get and the more they feel like powerful forces are out to get them and that there's an organized conspiracy behind it. It's like trying to push an air bubble out of some material - you just end up displacing it, and if you apply too much pressure, the thing's going to pop.

Also, as other commenters have pointed out, there are lots of very polarized and even extremist people on the opposite side, and if reddit removes one side and does nothing to the other, then all of the above gets amplified even more.

I honestly agree with how Zuckerberg and Huffman are handling this. They both clearly personally dislike Trump, but they understand the big picture. It's kind of like geopolitics.

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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Yeah, TD alone was huge in 2016-2017 and was a huge contributor to the dynamic we have in the world today. Ellen is 100% right here and Alex did absolutely nothing to address it. Good on her for publicly calling it out.

> Yeah, TD alone was huge in 2016-2017 and was a huge contributor to the dynamic we have in the world today Can you elaborate as to why? I'm not really sure how a subreddit is responsible for hate + violence + racism. How does freedom of speech/thought only work one way?

A subreddit dedicated to a figure that is radicalizing and openly suggests violence it goes hate, violence, and racism can come from there.

And freedom of speech need not tolerate death threats.

Re: Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian Resigns from the Board of Reddit

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You'd expect mods of t_d to not partake in smear campaigns against survivors of a school shooting, actually remove calls for death of various politicans, not telling people to harass journalist and maybe remove blatant fake news.

Straw-man. I never said TD was moral--just consistent with their ruleset.

> TD was always an explicitly pro-Trump subreddit.

Are you saying "smear campaigns against survivors of a school shooting" is explicitly pro-Trump?

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