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Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by thu2111 »

Traster wrote: post #84
flyinglizard wrote: post #40

This week the NYT apologized[0] for publishing an op-ed[1] from a Republican senator which stated something (using the military to restore civil order) which has broad - if not majority - support among Americans[2]. Some columnists apologetically said that giving Sen. Tom Cotton a stage could be justified on the basis of giving that to other enemies of the US in the past, such as Iran and the Taliban[3]. It seems lik…

Why are you mis-representing what the NYT did? Are you just hoping people don't read your citations. From your citation > For example, the published piece presents as facts assertions about the role of “cadres of left-wing radicals like antifa”; in fact, those allegations have not been substantiated and have been widely questioned. Editors should have sought further corroboration of those assertions, or removed them…

I've read quite a few NYT opinion pieces with completely false claims in them in the past, some of them racist (against British people!).

They only start to care now? I thought the point of an op-ed is that it's like a blog. The publishers don't interfere with its content and thus it can be totally wrong.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by john_alan »

dang wrote: post #111
john_alan wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you telling me that there are no capable African-Americans who could fill that board position? Of fucking course not. > If not, the what are you arguing? That increasing the representation of historically oppressed minority groups is bad? This might be difficult for you to understand but explicitly hiring someone with a particular skin colour is the fucking definition of racism.

This sort of aggression is not acceptable on HN, and we ban accounts that do it, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

So you’re not allowed use swear words?

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by dang »

john_alan wrote: post #122
dang wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sort of aggression is not acceptable on HN, and we ban accounts that do it, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

So you’re not allowed use swear words?

That's not the issue.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by waheoo »

dang wrote: post #123
john_alan wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you’re not allowed use swear words?

That's not the issue.

What is the issue? I just got flagged for explaining that they're not aiming for equality but equity.

I find this odd. Iagree with the move sometimes you need to do the wrong thing to get the right outcomes.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by zo1 »

panpanna wrote: post #18

About time. It is almost impossible to browse the front page without seeing some hateful content. And I am not talking about the political stuff. You can upload video of a random dude getting beaten to death, make some absurd claims like "the guy is a pedophile caught in the act" and watch the hateful comments roll in. Basically, you can make any claims and the ones that keep people's blood boiling seems very popular…

I don't know about others, but for me the "top" subreddits are filled with things that I consider very hateful and it goes way passed the "hate" radar of most of the mods due to the politics.

E.g. I was on the main gifs subreddit the other day when a gif of a wall being erected around the Whitehouse was shown. The amount of vitriol, hatred and borderline violent/violence-encouraging comments I saw that was at the top and mostly directed at conservatives/Donald Trump was just too much. It was truly hateful, but because it was directed at the right groups/people, it went unpunished and mostly upvoted.

Here's hoping that all hate and violent stuff like that gets removed from reddit, instead of just having it aimed at "the right", because that's their goal here really. Maybe we can then have an honest conversation about left/right politics.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by zo1 »

PunchTornado wrote: post #60
panpanna wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mate I got news for you: they are getting so popular they are all over the front page. I sometimes wonder if Reddit has resulted in a generation completely unable of critical thinking.

I don't understand what you mean by frontpage. it is made only from posts from subs you subscribed to. if you don't like it, unsubscribe. or the thing that bothers you is that other people like it and want to see it

I get /r/politics all the time recommended to me, filled with hateful content. I can't "block" it even though I've looked.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by zo1 »

j_4 wrote: post #78
8note wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say the opposite; not going out of your way to hire people with some specific skin colours is racist. It wouldn't be if all the people with different skin colours had an equal standing, but they don't, and have a history inequality. If you purposely ignore the inequality, you're perpetuating it. You're working with a faulty definition of racism.

>not going out of your way to hire people with some specific skin colours is racist. Sorry to be painfully cliche but this is some straight up war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength stuff.

Most of that domain (if I can call it that) includes downright upside down definitions.

We might as well start a Ministry of Equality at this point, and it'd go around dishing out punishments to those that aren't as "equal" as others.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by throwaway9482 »

Dahoon wrote: post #46
throwaway9482 wrote: post #17

I deleted my reddit account after I saw this announcement. That website has been on a downward slide ever since Tencent got some ownership and it’s become very evident Reddit is being used to push some ideologies.

Reddit's downward spiral has not changed since Tencent. It has always been like this and has nothing to do with Tencent and everything to do with the administrators/owners/boardmembers and the few moderator friends they let control most of the big subs. Go read what actual moderators (not the admin-friend-mods but everyone else) says about this and it will have nothing to do with China. Could you not have left Reddit…

The China “hate” is simply a result of the amount the CPC has meddled with American affairs

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by hackissimo123 »

Traster wrote: post #84
flyinglizard wrote: post #40

This week the NYT apologized[0] for publishing an op-ed[1] from a Republican senator which stated something (using the military to restore civil order) which has broad - if not majority - support among Americans[2]. Some columnists apologetically said that giving Sen. Tom Cotton a stage could be justified on the basis of giving that to other enemies of the US in the past, such as Iran and the Taliban[3]. It seems lik…

Why are you mis-representing what the NYT did? Are you just hoping people don't read your citations. From your citation > For example, the published piece presents as facts assertions about the role of “cadres of left-wing radicals like antifa”; in fact, those allegations have not been substantiated and have been widely questioned. Editors should have sought further corroboration of those assertions, or removed them…

> It apologized for doing it's job badly and publishing materially false statements as fact.

Does that mean they'll also be apologising for The 1619 Project?

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by dang »

waheoo wrote: post #124
dang wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the issue.

What is the issue? I just got flagged for explaining that they're not aiming for equality but equity. I find this odd. Iagree with the move sometimes you need to do the wrong thing to get the right outcomes.

If you were flagged, that was most likely by regular users, not moderators.

The issue with the comment above is that it was (a) a personal attack and (b) fulminating.

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