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Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by manigandham » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 9:25 AM UTC

Traster wrote: post #41

john_alan wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you telling me that there are no capable African-Americans who could fill that board position? Of fucking course not. > If not, the what are you arguing? That increasing the representation of historically oppressed minority groups is bad? This might be difficult for you to understand but explicitly hiring someone with a particular skin colour is the fucking definition of racism.

>This might be difficult for you to understand but explicitly hiring someone with a particular skin colour is the fucking definition of racism. The only difference between what they're doing now and what they did before is the skin color requirement is explicit instead of implicit. Only hire white guys? Meritocracy! Decide you want to hire 1 black guy? Racist!

What is your proof of an implicit skin color requirement?

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by kepler1 » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 9:26 AM UTC

uniqueid wrote: post #27

Darmody wrote: post #8

I blocked Reddit on my computer but I decided to unlock it temporarily to read this. "u/kn0thing has resigned from our board to fill his seat with a Black candidate" Now I regret it. I despise this kind of actions taken based on the colour of the skin/nationality/ethnicity/religion.

> I despise this kind of actions taken > based on the colour of the skin Are you sure you aren't applying a rule, on this occasion, without thinking it through? Skin-colour is relevant to the job here: it's a guarantee that the board member will have first-hand experience dealing with the issues Alexis thinks Reddit has mishandled.

The notion that only representatives from those who suffer racism or oppression can be the ones to get us out of it, is an attitude that hinders all of us from making progress against it.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by eganist » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 9:26 AM UTC

fakename11 wrote: post #37

eganist wrote: post #25

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> And what defines "hate"? Are they going be as consistent with the content of gangsta rappers? I'd wager no. Probably because the content from "gangsta rappers" doesn't instigate brutality that leverages a power imbalance the way cultural and systemic hatred drive police brutality. > thug brutality is a bigger problem than police brutality It's objectively not, and I won't hide the reasoning either: police brutality…

Maybe he thinks that black-on-black crime is probably worse than police-on-black crime since it's more common?

Imagine if that analogy was applied between petty shoplifting and murder.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by 8note » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 9:26 AM UTC

john_alan wrote: post #30

kitsune_ wrote: post #19

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Your implied reverse-racism argument just doesn't hold. Are you telling me that there are no capable African-Americans who could fill that board position? If not, the what are you arguing? That increasing the representation of historically oppressed minority groups is bad?

> Are you telling me that there are no capable African-Americans who could fill that board position? Of fucking course not. > If not, the what are you arguing? That increasing the representation of historically oppressed minority groups is bad? This might be difficult for you to understand but explicitly hiring someone with a particular skin colour is the fucking definition of racism.

I'd say the opposite; not going out of your way to hire people with some specific skin colours is racist.

It wouldn't be if all the people with different skin colours had an equal standing, but they don't, and have a history inequality.

If you purposely ignore the inequality, you're perpetuating it. You're working with a faulty definition of racism.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by manigandham » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 9:27 AM UTC

i_love_limes wrote: post #50

john_alan wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you telling me that there are no capable African-Americans who could fill that board position? Of fucking course not. > If not, the what are you arguing? That increasing the representation of historically oppressed minority groups is bad? This might be difficult for you to understand but explicitly hiring someone with a particular skin colour is the fucking definition of racism.

Ah yes, who better to make decisions related to the problems of racism in Reddit than a group of white people. And intentionally including a non white person is in that discussion is actually racist. I think the "reverse racism" argument shows that you haven't read a huge amount in this topic. Which is surprising given the focus of these issues in the past couple of weeks.

You're discounting a group of people as unfit by nothing more than their race/skin color. That's racist, by definition.

None of this will ever be solved as long as race and physical characteristics continue to be of importance (regardless of what "side" you're on) over someone's actions and character.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by Darmody » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 9:27 AM UTC

uniqueid wrote: post #27

Darmody wrote: post #8

I blocked Reddit on my computer but I decided to unlock it temporarily to read this. "u/kn0thing has resigned from our board to fill his seat with a Black candidate" Now I regret it. I despise this kind of actions taken based on the colour of the skin/nationality/ethnicity/religion.

> I despise this kind of actions taken > based on the colour of the skin Are you sure you aren't applying a rule, on this occasion, without thinking it through? Skin-colour is relevant to the job here: it's a guarantee that the board member will have first-hand experience dealing with the issues Alexis thinks Reddit has mishandled.

I am sure and I think we shouldn't fall into this kind of traps.

First of all it doesn't guarantee anything. They will pick someone black with the same line of thought that they already have on the board. They won't be selecting, let's say, a black conservative. So in the end, their skin colour would be less important than their ideology but at the same time it'll be the decisive factor, which is stupid. Just as stupid as it would be to fire someone not white to hire a white person.

I'm saying this as an immigrant and hence a minority. I wouldn't even think about taking a job where they want me because of where I come from. It would make me feel like if I had some kind of disability or special needs and I couldn't do the same thing as others.

Race problems won't stop until people understand that the more emphasis you put into race, the more you'll divide people.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by Dahoon » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 9:28 AM UTC

fakename11 wrote: post #34

uniqueid wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I despise this kind of actions taken > based on the colour of the skin Are you sure you aren't applying a rule, on this occasion, without thinking it through? Skin-colour is relevant to the job here: it's a guarantee that the board member will have first-hand experience dealing with the issues Alexis thinks Reddit has mishandled.

Not necessarily guaranteed, not every person with a certain skin color has experienced the same thing... but you can probably find someone that has if that is what you are selecting for.

>not every person with a certain skin color has experienced the same thing

True, but try finding an Afro-American that haven't faced racism.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by concordDance » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 9:28 AM UTC

kitsune_ wrote: post #19

KKPMW wrote: post #13

This whole post is weird. Based on the tone they seem to think they are combating racism. But really the CEO of a company just announced that they are looking for a new candidate. Requirements? - No particular requirements, except having the right skin color.

Your implied reverse-racism argument just doesn't hold. Are you telling me that there are no capable African-Americans who could fill that board position? If not, the what are you arguing? That increasing the representation of historically oppressed minority groups is bad?

The odds of the best fit for the position being an african american are quite low.

Positions should be assigned to people on the basis of their ability, not their skin colour.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by aus4blanch » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 9:28 AM UTC

I do not believe that there is strength in racial diversity when every instance of multiracial proximity in history and today results in dysfunction and violence.

I believe that threatening my (predominantly White) nation with millions of foreigners is extremely hostile and hateful.

I wish nothing more for than my children and their children to grow up in a place of peace, harmony, belonging, unity, joy and fulfilment. I want them to love themselves, know their history, respect their ancestors. I want them to extoll the virtues of our people and to enjoy the many fruits of European culture.

I want for them a place where they may pursue their potential, free of the countless difficulties and dangers that the multiracial option, free of the daily hysteria and thinly-veiled anti-White hatred that my generation has experienced all our lives as the West demonstrates the unending division and tension that is inevitable with multiracialism.

I am motivated by nothing but love for my people, my family, and myself. I do not hate Africans or Jews. Or Chinese or Muslims. I do not wish for their children to grow up in awful conditions, I only wish for my children not to.

I owe strangers in foreign places nothing; I owe my family everything.

Is this view 'hate'? It certainly doesn't seem like it to me. Am I to understand that wanting a homeland for my people to exist in peace and prosperity is hateful, while the non-Whites openly celebrating violence against Whites, our dispossession, depression, and extinction, somehow act outside the definition of 'hate'?

'Hate' is not an objective term. It means nothing unless you also define what you hate. All-too-often, that thing is White people.

Re: Changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here

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Post by PunchTornado » Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 9:28 AM UTC

panpanna wrote: post #42

PunchTornado wrote: post #33

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maybe you should unsubscribe from subs you don't like. plenty of people like violent subs, like justicesurved or others.

Mate I got news for you: they are getting so popular they are all over the front page. I sometimes wonder if Reddit has resulted in a generation completely unable of critical thinking.

I don't understand what you mean by frontpage. it is made only from posts from subs you subscribed to. if you don't like it, unsubscribe.

or the thing that bothers you is that other people like it and want to see it