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Why I Use Suckless Tools

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Re: Why I Use Suckless Tools

#51

Seems like having to use a bunch of popular patches is counter to the author's other praises about how simple and minimal the software is. Why doesn't upstream integrate them and let everyone use them without having to patch?

I see it more as staying modular. Not everyone will want the same patches. This way you build your own version with just what you want.

Re: Why I Use Suckless Tools

#52

Back in the day, I used to distro hop, window manager hop and try to find the ever eluding "perfect" setup. This lasted maybe 15 years. There was a sense of vanity in trying to be different yet spectacular. Today I would tell my younger self that use what makes you productive. Even if it is the standard Windows or Mac OS environments. R/unixporn is the nerds equivalent of shirtless beach dudes.

I found a pretty perfect setup with i3 and Xfce which is minimal but not too minimal, and perfect for my tastes. It took some hopping around to find it but now I have my dotfiles all checked in and I can get a fresh machine configured in literally under 3 minutes.

Once up, Xfce and i3 stay out of my way and I can just get to work.

Re: Why I Use Suckless Tools

#53
> cabytcini to show the current time and weather in my dwm bar

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> As of the time of this post being written, it uses only 11 megabytes of ram

I'm not a rust programmer. Is 11 megs for an app like this concidered small?

Re: Why I Use Suckless Tools

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, reading a single file will not have a noticable impact, but we all know it will not stop at a single file. Before you know it a full blown web browser is included. The suckless philosophy is pretty extreme, but I'm grateful there are people exploring this space.

I think that's the key thing. It's not about config, it's the fact that the "plugins" are all compiled in as well— meanwhile over here in the real world we have there are entire programs and methodologies dedicated to managing directories of vimscript files, and sharing your personal dotfiles directory on github is a thing.

With suckless you don't have your dotfiles on GitHub, but your fork and then you have to keep close to upstream all the time. Else they might cause a merge hell later ...

Re: Why I Use Suckless Tools

#55

Back in the day, I used to distro hop, window manager hop and try to find the ever eluding "perfect" setup. This lasted maybe 15 years. There was a sense of vanity in trying to be different yet spectacular. Today I would tell my younger self that use what makes you productive. Even if it is the standard Windows or Mac OS environments. R/unixporn is the nerds equivalent of shirtless beach dudes.

I also used to distro hop for many years, and ended up settling on Debian a few years ago.

I don't consider Debian to be the "best distro" (some distros like NixOS seem much more elegant), but I find it to be very stable during the 2 years where a major release is supported, and that leaves me more time to being productive on things that interest me more.

Still, distro hopping and spending endless hours customizing and searching for the "perfect" setup can be a good hobbie.

Re: Why I Use Suckless Tools

#56
I found this section ironic, since the whole point is the lack of features:

" As dwm is configured in C, there’s also a community of people creating patches for dwm that add extra features like additional tiling methods, the ability to automatically start things with dwm, transparency for the statusbar and so much more. I use the following patches..."

Eventually, enough users will want a particular patch, and it will be agreed to include for all users. At that time, is the product still suckless?

Re: Why I Use Suckless Tools

#57
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way are they combative or unpleasant? I've never experienced this. I enjoy the philosophy and opinionated approach they have to development. I setup an old thinkpad with openbsd and dwm and st and it all worked great and i learned some C along the way. I also used sent - their plaintext slide presentation tool to give a talk at work and it was a pretty cool way to put a presentation together quickly and focus…

Start with the name. That puts it in opposition immediately. They present a lot of that opposition to projects and people, rarely stated kindly. They could express a positive enthusiasm for simplicity, but that's not the way they go about it.

>Start with the name. That puts it in opposition immediately

The name that immediately claims that their software sucks? I get where you are coming from, but you're just labeling the average software with a different term.

Re: Why I Use Suckless Tools

#58

It looks like suckless tools work on X. I recently made the switch to Wayland and was wondering if a similar set of tools (with this minimalist philosophy) exist. Any idea?

No. I'm guessing the main issue is that Wayland is not a replacement for X.

Re: Why I Use Suckless Tools

#59
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way are they combative or unpleasant? I've never experienced this. I enjoy the philosophy and opinionated approach they have to development. I setup an old thinkpad with openbsd and dwm and st and it all worked great and i learned some C along the way. I also used sent - their plaintext slide presentation tool to give a talk at work and it was a pretty cool way to put a presentation together quickly and focus…

Start with the name. That puts it in opposition immediately. They present a lot of that opposition to projects and people, rarely stated kindly. They could express a positive enthusiasm for simplicity, but that's not the way they go about it.

Accusations of "elitism" being what they may, the name is in fact a slice of humility: they advertise that their software "sucks less", not that it is "without suck".

Re: Why I Use Suckless Tools

#60
Every time I see these screenshots of tiling window managers like dwm, there is always a browser window smooshed into a block that is barely big enough for a term.

I really don't get it. Who uses a web browser like that? I almost always maximize my browser on my desktop, and when i want to share the space with something I'm working on, I maybe will split the screen in half, or just have floating windows on top of each other. Alt+tab works pretty well.

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