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Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Fitful : Occurring in or characterized by intermittent bursts, as of activity; irregular. https://www.wordnik.com/words/fitful I am not a native speaker and had to look it up.

Not a native speaker, I think I sleep well (feel rested, not tired during the day) but lightly (with typically a few bathroom breaks), should I be concerned?

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I snored so loudly that when I was in basic training that they made me sleep all of the way at the opposite end of the open-bay barracks we were in. I was 18 and near the height of physical perfection. As far back as 10 years old I remember feeling miserable every single morning even after getting a full night's sleep. At age 35 I got a CPAP and finally fixed a quarter century of piss-poor sleep.

This is so frustrating. Surely millions or billions of humans having terrible sleep is not just some genetic abnormality, and we did not evolve to have terrible sleep only fixed by modern technology. There must be some underlying issue that can be addressed for the majority of people.

Same goes for myopia and crooked teeth.

I've asked my optometrists and orthodontists what cause these problems and just got shrugs and big bills.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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This article seems to contradict itself: > UC Berkeley sleep scientists have begun to reveal what it is about fragmented nightly sleep that leads to the fatty arterial plaque buildup known as atherosclerosis that can result in fatal heart disease. This is a causal claim, emphasis mine, which contradicts: > “To the best of our knowledge, these data are the first to associate sleep fragmentation, inflammation and ather…

The causal claim is itself a (stronger form of) correlation, so how is that a contradiction? They claim: 1. To demonstrate a causal pathway 2. There was not a previous correlative claim that this merely strengthened Also, given it's in an open access journal, you can trivially verify from the source rather than rely on a press release. "we describe a pathway wherein sleep fragmentation raises inflammatory-related whi…

From that article:

> "A first limitation is that our analyses were constrained by the use of cross-sectional data, which precludes definitive assessment of directionality of associations. For example, it could be that cardiovascular disease (or associated treatments) may also drive sleep fragmentation in addition to, or rather than, the other way around."

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This may sound crazy, but for those who can't tolerate a CPAP, an effective alternative is playing the didgeridoo.[1] Anecdotally my wife and kids were complaining about my snoring, and I bought one for $40 off Amazon. Not only has my snoring improved, but my lung capacity has improved. Plus it's just fun to play. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360393/

Yes, fixing out the lung capacity, musculature of the diaphragm, throat, tongue, etc is really the cure. And loosing excess weight if that is the case. CPAP, while effective and life changing is a band aid that the medical industry can make money on. I don't hear anyone saying that the CPAP should be used in conjunction with restorative exercises. I'm glad you found this solution.

> CPAP ... is a band aid that the medical industry can make money on.

Incredibly uninformed.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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This is so frustrating. Surely millions or billions of humans having terrible sleep is not just some genetic abnormality, and we did not evolve to have terrible sleep only fixed by modern technology. There must be some underlying issue that can be addressed for the majority of people.

Same goes for myopia and crooked teeth. I've asked my optometrists and orthodontists what cause these problems and just got shrugs and big bills.

Academic research seems pretty confident now (in the last few years) that myopia is mostly caused by lack of exposure to daylight when very young.

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I'm pretty sure healthcare providers everywhere inform people who need to exercise and lose weight that they need to exercise and lose weight. Not really fair to ding them for making money on other treatments for people who can't bring themselves to do it the natural way.

In my experience this is actually rare. I've heard many similar stories to mine here from friends and family, but briefly, my own recent experience with this kind of thing: I saw four doctors across two states trying to resolve a certain medical condition, which happens to be very common, has very negative effects, and has low recovery rates. They prescribed a couple different medications, and mentioned that the diso…

I recently discovered a health problem and must have been told by five different doctors that there are longterm drugs that can help but I should focus on eating well, exercising and losing weight.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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If your doctor tells you to do a sleep study, do it. If, as a result, they tell you to get a CPAP, get it. Those things are life-changing. I felt like an old man at 50 years old. My back was so stiff I couldn't put on my socks. When I got out of bed in the morning I felt so fragile, like my joints were all inflamed - especially my Achilles' tendons. I was too tired to do anything beyond 6 pm. Now, 51, I feel totally…

You're all going to think I am a crazy, but I instead elected to tape my mouth closed with 3m tape right when I go to bed. This to me is superior and should be your first port. Not only did it fix my apnoea and huge lack of energy during the day, but also my chronic sinus issues that had plagued me for years. Its also a lot cheaper, much easier to use / travel with and gets me into a good habit of nose breathing duri…

This doesn’t work when you have UARS unfortunately.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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You're all going to think I am a crazy, but I instead elected to tape my mouth closed with 3m tape right when I go to bed. This to me is superior and should be your first port. Not only did it fix my apnoea and huge lack of energy during the day, but also my chronic sinus issues that had plagued me for years. Its also a lot cheaper, much easier to use / travel with and gets me into a good habit of nose breathing duri…

How did you verify that it “fixed your apnea”? A CPAP does not require mouth breathing. Nasal pillows require you to breathe through your nose. If necessary they shut your mouth with a chin strap. A piece of 3m tape sounds dangerous for someone if the problem is nasal obstruction or rhinitis rather than their mouth dangling open. They might not be able to gasp for breath and experience an even worse apnea.

I read Sleep by Nick Littlehales and he mentions that taping your mouth closed is one technique you can use - I think I recall he says some British athletes (cyclists?) use it - but doesn't recommend it for anyone with a medical problem.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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I suspect I might have some sleep disturbance. It's really hard for me to sleep on my back, I wake up constantly and snoor so I just sleep on my stomach instead.

Yeah that sounds like possible sleep apnea. Have you looked into doing a sleep study?

No, I have small children at the moment so my sleep is disturbed by that but as soon as they start sleeping normally through the night I'm going to have it checked out.
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