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Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by kjs3 »

bouncycastle wrote: post #227
kjs3 wrote: post #192

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Unless you're on a corporate machine where they have some Group Policy to force updates, you absolutely can control when updates are performed. You might have to actually learn how to do that, but it's not like M$ makes it impossible.

I think I've lost count how many times I've ran into a Windows powered kiosk / info screen that was stuck in the middle of a forced update.

I've seen all sorts of times I've run into a Windows thing that crashed for unknown reasons. I can't think of a single time I think I've ran into a Windows powered kiosk / info screen that was stuck in the middle of a forced update.

I have however, lost count of how many times some piece of technology has failed because someone didn't read the manual.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by em-bee »

phatfish wrote: post #124
SirYandi wrote: post #71

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I didn't see anything about completely disabling automatic updates there. Closest I could find was: "After a refresh, the next refresh can be delayed by up to 60 days, after which a refresh will be performed regardless of the refresh.hold value."

With windows update the trick since MS enforced a similar update policy is to change the user the Windows Update service runs under to an account that doest have the required permissions. Not sure if that would work with Ubuntu though ;)

i am surprised that this is possible under windows. for ubuntu, it should be possible to disable the daemon that runs the update checks. at worst by hacking a script where the process is started.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by [deleted] »

kjs3 wrote: post #231
bouncycastle wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I've lost count how many times I've ran into a Windows powered kiosk / info screen that was stuck in the middle of a forced update.

I've seen all sorts of times I've run into a Windows thing that crashed for unknown reasons. I can't think of a single time I think I've ran into a Windows powered kiosk / info screen that was stuck in the middle of a forced update. I have however, lost count of how many times some piece of technology has failed because someone didn't read the manual.

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Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by ajnin »

simosx wrote: post #47
chintan wrote: post #34

Hundreds of organizations, including ours, rely on Rocket.Chat for their internal messaging. It all went down when a release was pushed and snap decided to auto-update [1] I can imagine it resulted in a huge loss of productivity at all these orgs in the Covid era. Just learnt from this thread that apt-install will install snap! I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 + i3 (Dell Developer Edition) but will change to Debian. [1]. htt…

You can control when to update, https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date

> the next refresh can be delayed by up to 60 days, after which a refresh will be performed regardless of the refresh.hold value

Taking a leaf right out of Microsoft's book, I see.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by nsajko »

henriquez wrote: post #12
techntoke wrote: post #6

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Definitely try an Arch-based distro. I run Arch myself, but I've heard good things about Manjaro.

Doesn’t arch also allow arbitrary package upgrades straight from the developers? Again I’m pretty ignorant but my impression looking at it previously was there isn’t any sort of “peer review” by repo maintainers.

> Doesn’t arch also allow arbitrary package upgrades straight from the developers?

No.

> “peer review”

I am not sure what you mean, and I don't know that much about Arch developer and Arch maintainer protocols; but the whole thing is more transparent than Debian: everything, including the PKGBUILDs and the rare patch is accessible through public git repos very accessibly and visibly linked from the web page of each Arch package. Debian also has public git repos AFAIK, but finding them and navigating the directory hierarchy is more difficult.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by Macha »

kyrofa wrote: post #176
flatfilefan wrote: post #20

Snap for me means Firefox suddenly says “I won’t open a new tab until you update me and I will drop all tabs on restart”. It also means cached content and configs in many new obscure places. It doesn’t mean any visible improvement so far. So hey, kudos Mint and hey, Ubuntu stop that already.

Uh yeah, that's just Firefox in general, from a snap or a deb.

For a .deb you need to have chosen to run an update first

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by ckcheng »

rumanator wrote: post #213
ckcheng wrote: post #146

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The packages are somewhat tested, but "you are participating in the development of Debian when you are tracking testing or unstable" [1]. My feeling is Debian testing is a little less stable than non-LTS Ubuntu. See, I'd like to use LXDE, and right now I use Lubuntu. I'm interested in switching to Debian, but then I read someone say Debian testing is "more stable than the name would suggest, as long as you follow a f…

> My feeling is Debian testing is a little less stable than non-LTS Ubuntu. At least a few years ago, Ubuntu's LTS releases were derived from Debian Testing, while Ubuntu's standard releases were derived from Debian Unstable.

Oh, didn't know that. That gives me a better sense of "how stable" each is. Thanks!

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by ckcheng »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #153
ckcheng wrote: post #146

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The packages are somewhat tested, but "you are participating in the development of Debian when you are tracking testing or unstable" [1]. My feeling is Debian testing is a little less stable than non-LTS Ubuntu. See, I'd like to use LXDE, and right now I use Lubuntu. I'm interested in switching to Debian, but then I read someone say Debian testing is "more stable than the name would suggest, as long as you follow a f…

I’ve run Debian testing for like 10 years now, and I’ve never been hesitant to apt-get dist-upgrade.

Good to know. I felt that way about Ubuntu / Lubuntu for that time too, until now. This gives me some confidence about Debian to put some time into trying it out. Thanks!

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by sergeykish »

simosx wrote: post #177
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #161

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Okay...so? Lenovo also announced they're going to certify some laptops for Fedora as well: https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-lapt... If you're suggesting that we all need to rally behind everything Canonical does because Ubuntu has the best shot of propelling Linux into the mainstream, I would say that's all the more reason to hold them accountable for decisions that the Linux community finds un…

Lenovo, in their announcement, they start by saying that they made the move because the Linux desktop stands at 2.7%. And they want in, in this 2.7% market. If the Linux desktop becomes a 5% market, or a 8% market, then it will open the floodgates to other companies offering support to desktop Linux. Source: https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/lenovo-brin... What I see on HN is perpetual bitching and ant…

Ubuntu definitely done a lot of good. 6.06 LiveCD and Theme, installation in Windows partition, these we good.

A lot of people recommended Ubuntu and that I believe is a problem. I got it wrong too. Ubuntu does a lot of experiments on its users - Pulse Audio, Unity, now Snaps. Each time a lot of fuss. It means technology is not ready.

It would be fine if rolled in separate distribution Exbuntu (experimental Ubuntu) and rolled to masses once feature becomes popular, but no. Those who listened to my recommendation would see bugs and that is zero-sum game.

But we can easily resolve it - recommend no nonsense distros - Linux Mint, ElementaryOS, Pop!_OS, Debian. And that's already happening on this page. Ubuntu may even encourage that. Everyone would be happy.

So what is wrong with silent snaps Chromium install? Those who use apt are sophisticated enough to chose. And "issue has been around", have you red The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? “But the plans were on display…”

> You just need to attract new Windows users, not steal Ubuntu users.

That's gross. Have you red what people say? Those who switched to Linux because of such moves from Microsoft. I'm fine with Ubuntu destroying itself. I do not use it. No one steals Ubuntu users, that's Ubuntu who destroy its userbase.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by sergeykish »

kjs3 wrote: post #186
simosx wrote: post #38

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Snap support is evolving. There are keys to configure when, and if, you get updates, https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date The total Linux desktop installation base is around 2.7%. Without automation, the Linux desktop does not look like it will attract any significant number of Windows users.

Snap support is evolving. So we're the beta testers for Snap. Awesome. Nothing I want to do more on my day-to-day desktop than to be an outsource QA team to debug Ubuntu's software. Thanks for making 'beta test' the default, just like with pulseaudio and systemd. I look forward to the one day in the future when snap doesn't suck too. Except, nope. No more Ubuntu. I guess tossing Windows in there is some ad homen atte…

It is popular idea that to attract users one has be Steve Jobs. Vote with your legs.
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