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Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by HALtheWise »

rabidrat wrote: post #174
chrisco255 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cops carry guns because the situation can always get out of hand. Violent criminals still exist in society. EDIT: the ignorant people claiming average police officer does not deal with violent criminals have obviously never worked as a first responder. They deal with rape, suicide, murder, assault, domestic abuse, robbery, every week unless they're some small town cop in a gilded neighborhood. The cops in St. Louis,…

If the system worked then you could argue that cops have a reasonable right to be armed. But the system is not working, and 10x people without guns are killed by cops, than are cops killed. Plus whenever a cop is actually killed, the entire system has their back, and justice is almost always served. This is not the case for people without guns who are killed by cops. It's an acceptable loss that a few more cops are k…

Can you provide a citation for the 10x number? A quick search shows more like 0.4x, which is quite different.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by colejohnson66 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #82
throwawaylalala wrote: post #25

I disagree with record; you should STREAM. Get it off the device so it can't be conveniently destroyed and deleted.

Stream, but remember anyone can send a DMCA take down request for the evidence, and big companies have law enforcement liaisons who would be more than happy to remove content at the behest of LE. Some platforms will remove any violent content uploaded by users, so with some rules lawyering from LE posing as another user, it can be taken down.

Would the government even have standing to file a DMCA takedown for anything? Anything the government creates is in the public domain meaning there’s no copyright to infringe.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by rabidrat »

HALtheWise wrote: post #231
rabidrat wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the system worked then you could argue that cops have a reasonable right to be armed. But the system is not working, and 10x people without guns are killed by cops, than are cops killed. Plus whenever a cop is actually killed, the entire system has their back, and justice is almost always served. This is not the case for people without guns who are killed by cops. It's an acceptable loss that a few more cops are k…

Can you provide a citation for the 10x number? A quick search shows more like 0.4x, which is quite different.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_office...:

> According to the FBI, which publishes the data in the Uniform Crime Reports, from 1980–2018, an average of 85 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed per year. Those killed in accidents in the line of duty are not included in that number.

From https://www.theroot.com/here-s-how-many-people-police-killed...:

> In all, there were 1,112 non-suicide-related deaths at the hands of police in 2019

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by potatochup »

Yetanfou wrote: post #199
camgunz wrote: post #75

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This is an argument activists have made for years in favor of gun control. The prevalence of guns in US society has made us objectively far less safe.

There are two things to this: Compare the rate of gun-related crime in a country like Switzerland (where guns are readily available and many people have been trained to use them) with that in Germany (where guns are as rare as hens teeth among the non-criminal contingent of the population) and you'll notice that Switzerland does not suffer unduly under a wave of gun crime. Why not? What is it in Swiss society which m…

According to this, 25% of privately owned firearms are due to previous or active military service. Switzerland also has compulsory military service and you can't carry in public.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/switzerlan...

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by threatofrain »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #118
travjones wrote: post #4

Cops may ask you not to record and even threaten you with arrest for recording. Do not be intimidated; it is your right to record without obstructing. If you find yourself in a situation where you might be detained and thereby unable to control interactions with your device, on iPhone you can disable TouchID and FaceID by holding one of the volume buttons and the sleep/wake button simultaneously for a few seconds. Th…

> Do not be intimidated; it is your right to record without obstructing. Be very careful taking this advice. If you weren't already aware, the past week should make it crystal clear that police have absolutely no problem arresting or assaulting you for exercising your rights.

Rights exist insofar as they are enforced. Otherwise what’s the difference between rights and a nice idea?

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by dependenttypes »

chrisco255 wrote: post #21
cwkoss wrote: post #6

I think half of the police force should be 'armed' with nothing more than cameras. Arrests are not necessary in the vast majority of situations police are called for, and recording technology is far superior to verbal testimony for serving our courts

Cops carry guns because the situation can always get out of hand. Violent criminals still exist in society. EDIT: the ignorant people claiming average police officer does not deal with violent criminals have obviously never worked as a first responder. They deal with rape, suicide, murder, assault, domestic abuse, robbery, every week unless they're some small town cop in a gilded neighborhood. The cops in St. Louis,…

> suicide

Is this supposed to be a violent crime now? Cops should not even deal with the police.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by ykevinator »

mamurphy wrote: post #140
gootdude wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They only resigned from the task force, because their union would no longer pay the legal fees related to the protests. "The union representing Buffalo police officers told its rank and file members Friday that the union would no longer pay for legal fees to defend police officers related to the protests which began Saturday in downtown Buffalo and have continued on and off, according to one source. The union is upse…

Would anyone do differently in their shoes? It sounds like they volunteered for a task force, and would be facing individual liability with no assistance from their union if sued for any work resulting from staying on the task force. If you volunteered to program the Foo system at your job, and your company announced that you would be individually liable for any losses anyone suffered for your further work on Foo sys…

No one "volunteered", it's overtime pay

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

Yetanfou wrote: post #220
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Saturated" is a poor description. Police definitely need guns available, but do they need them on their hip all the time? They often have shotguns in their cars because, sure, sometimes it's important. But they don't patrol with a shotgun in their hands. Guns aren't so prevalent as to need that.

Of course they need them on their person, having a gun in the trunk of the car does exactly nothing when confronted with a situation where having a gun can be the difference between life and death - that is some victim's life or that of the police officer. Do they always need to have them on their person? Probably not but there is a certain symbolic value in having armed police spread around society. The value here i…

> Do they always need to have them on their person? Probably not but there is a certain symbolic value in having armed police spread around society.

I’d argue the opposite. There’s negative symbolic value.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by dang »

medicineman wrote: post #172
dang wrote: post #138

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Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, regardless of how strongly you dislike or disagree with what someone else said. That comment being heavily downvoted is an indication that a lot of community members don't agree with it, but they didn't then proceed to break the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: it looks like you've been using this site primarily for political b…

The OP came from theverge. You might as well post things from politico or the thehill and tell people the same thing. Being disingenuous part of the mandate, or is that just the moderators?

Afraid I'm not following you here.
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