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Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by mancerayder »

SaintGhurka wrote: post #23

If your doctor tells you to do a sleep study, do it. If, as a result, they tell you to get a CPAP, get it. Those things are life-changing. I felt like an old man at 50 years old. My back was so stiff I couldn't put on my socks. When I got out of bed in the morning I felt so fragile, like my joints were all inflamed - especially my Achilles' tendons. I was too tired to do anything beyond 6 pm. Now, 51, I feel totally…

I asked a doctor about it and he said that since I'm not obese nor overweight, and I don't regularly wake up gasping, then I'm not a candidate.

I've had fitful sleep as far as I can remember. I wake up (and remember it) probably 4-5 times a night and I've been told I toss and turn all the time. I find if I take a calmant or a substance I can sleep through the night.

I have chronic inflammation includes Achilles' pain just as you describe. I'm in my lower 40's. I'm also a weightlifter and I do calisthenics - both of these activities 4-5 times a week. Oh, but I sit in front of a PC 12+ hours a day!

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by downerending »

vidarh wrote: post #98
jpxw wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my country, the UK, it’s not unusual at all to have to wait 2-3 months for a hospital appointment. People shit on America’s health system a lot (and in many cases for perfectly valid reasons), but I think they don’t quite consider the alternative.

You can buy your way past the queues either per treatment or with private insurance in the UK and still pay far less than in the US. Most of us wait because the prioritisation is by clinical need, and is usually 'good enough' and some because they can't afford it.

Are you paying less, all in? (e.g., taxes)

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by Eliezer »

tartoran wrote: post #85
dcolkitt wrote: post #80

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This may sound crazy, but for those who can't tolerate a CPAP, an effective alternative is playing the didgeridoo.[1] Anecdotally my wife and kids were complaining about my snoring, and I bought one for $40 off Amazon. Not only has my snoring improved, but my lung capacity has improved. Plus it's just fun to play. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360393/

Yes, fixing out the lung capacity, musculature of the diaphragm, throat, tongue, etc is really the cure. And loosing excess weight if that is the case. CPAP, while effective and life changing is a band aid that the medical industry can make money on. I don't hear anyone saying that the CPAP should be used in conjunction with restorative exercises. I'm glad you found this solution.

Sacrificed months of productivity to fast off 70 pounds in hope it would fix sleep apnea. It didn't.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by JadeNB »

maccard wrote: post #20
JadeNB wrote: post #10

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> Sleep routine is the most essential thing to fix if you have resolved all your basic needs. It creates a feedback loop that helps to reduce stress and improve health. How did you fix it? I suffer from asthma and frequent urination issues, both of which wake me up several times a night. It doesn't seem to matter much what my routines before sleep and after waking are if I am involuntary woken during sleep, and I'm s…

> I suffer from asthma and frequent urination issues, both of which wake me up several times a night. I also suffer from asthma, you shouldn't be woken multiple times a night from it! That's very severe if it's happening with any regularlity and you should speak to a GP about it.

> I also suffer from asthma, you shouldn't be woken multiple times a night from it! That's very severe if it's happening with any regularlity and you should speak to a GP about it.

I agree. Unfortunately I don't have a GP, and now's a hard time to get in as a new patient.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by odiroot »

SaintGhurka wrote: post #54
odiroot wrote: post #43

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If only it was so easy. I was told, in Germany, I have to wait 2+ months for the next appointment.

That's the one consolation to those of us in the maddeningly expensive US system. You can usually find someone who will get you scheduled in very short order. Don't let the wait deter you. If you do need the machine, it can really improve your life.

Unfortunately had to leave the country for some time, will miss this chance for now. Thanks for the recommendation though.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by spease »

Phenomenit wrote: post #70
SaintGhurka wrote: post #23

If your doctor tells you to do a sleep study, do it. If, as a result, they tell you to get a CPAP, get it. Those things are life-changing. I felt like an old man at 50 years old. My back was so stiff I couldn't put on my socks. When I got out of bed in the morning I felt so fragile, like my joints were all inflamed - especially my Achilles' tendons. I was too tired to do anything beyond 6 pm. Now, 51, I feel totally…

I suspect I might have some sleep disturbance. It's really hard for me to sleep on my back, I wake up constantly and snoor so I just sleep on my stomach instead.

Yeah that sounds like possible sleep apnea. Have you looked into doing a sleep study?

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by ValentineC »

Eliezer wrote: post #113
tartoran wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, fixing out the lung capacity, musculature of the diaphragm, throat, tongue, etc is really the cure. And loosing excess weight if that is the case. CPAP, while effective and life changing is a band aid that the medical industry can make money on. I don't hear anyone saying that the CPAP should be used in conjunction with restorative exercises. I'm glad you found this solution.

Sacrificed months of productivity to fast off 70 pounds in hope it would fix sleep apnea. It didn't.

How was your productivity affected during your weight loss?

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by virgulino »

tstrimple wrote: post #26
SaintGhurka wrote: post #23

If your doctor tells you to do a sleep study, do it. If, as a result, they tell you to get a CPAP, get it. Those things are life-changing. I felt like an old man at 50 years old. My back was so stiff I couldn't put on my socks. When I got out of bed in the morning I felt so fragile, like my joints were all inflamed - especially my Achilles' tendons. I was too tired to do anything beyond 6 pm. Now, 51, I feel totally…

> If your doctor tells you to do a sleep study, do it. All I got in return is a $500 inconclusive.

Thanks. I didn't know that it could be inconclusive, or how much it costs.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by cachestash »

spease wrote: post #102
balfirevic wrote: post #76

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> You're all going to think I am a nutball, but I instead started to tape my mouth closed with 3m tape Wait, while sleeping or during the day? If while sleeping, isn't it dangerous?

It sounds like potentially, yes. https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2019/10/18/keep-you... Dr. Li does surgery for sleep apnea. I was referred to him once for evaluation for a surgical procedure only he does (EASE/TPD) and which I was told that the referring doctor had seen a lot of effectiveness in improving sleep apnea in their patients. He seemed like he knew his stuff and was very up-front about being conse…

I would be a little sceptical of someone whose whole career is based on nasal surgery to fix apnea playing down a simple non evasive alternative. He lists zero studies to back his premise of it being dangerous.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by kilo_bravo_3 »

Eliezer wrote: post #113
tartoran wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, fixing out the lung capacity, musculature of the diaphragm, throat, tongue, etc is really the cure. And loosing excess weight if that is the case. CPAP, while effective and life changing is a band aid that the medical industry can make money on. I don't hear anyone saying that the CPAP should be used in conjunction with restorative exercises. I'm glad you found this solution.

Sacrificed months of productivity to fast off 70 pounds in hope it would fix sleep apnea. It didn't.

I snored so loudly that when I was in basic training that they made me sleep all of the way at the opposite end of the open-bay barracks we were in.

I was 18 and near the height of physical perfection.

As far back as 10 years old I remember feeling miserable every single morning even after getting a full night's sleep.

At age 35 I got a CPAP and finally fixed a quarter century of piss-poor sleep.

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