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Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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I didnt sleep enough for all my teens and student years, and ended up with an autoimmune disease. Taking sleep and other health seriously has been a big part of getting myself back in working shape.

Wait seriously?

If you don’t mind can you share what the disease/effects are and why you think it’s caused by lack of sleep when younger?

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

#53

Can anyone more familiar with this field elaborate on exactly what "chronic circulating inflammation throughout the blood stream" is? Inflammation I understand, but how does it circulate throughout the bloodstream? Does this refer to inflammation of the blood vessels, the heart, or somehow your blood itself? And is there a reason to suspect causality goes in the direction implied in the article (i.e. bad sleep -> pla…

Circulation of pro-inflammatory compounds, I'd assume.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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post #43

If your doctor tells you to do a sleep study, do it. If, as a result, they tell you to get a CPAP, get it. Those things are life-changing. I felt like an old man at 50 years old. My back was so stiff I couldn't put on my socks. When I got out of bed in the morning I felt so fragile, like my joints were all inflamed - especially my Achilles' tendons. I was too tired to do anything beyond 6 pm. Now, 51, I feel totally…

If only it was so easy. I was told, in Germany, I have to wait 2+ months for the next appointment.

That's the one consolation to those of us in the maddeningly expensive US system. You can usually find someone who will get you scheduled in very short order.

Don't let the wait deter you. If you do need the machine, it can really improve your life.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

#55

If your doctor tells you to do a sleep study, do it. If, as a result, they tell you to get a CPAP, get it. Those things are life-changing. I felt like an old man at 50 years old. My back was so stiff I couldn't put on my socks. When I got out of bed in the morning I felt so fragile, like my joints were all inflamed - especially my Achilles' tendons. I was too tired to do anything beyond 6 pm. Now, 51, I feel totally…

I wonder if it would be helpful to allow people who experience sleep issues to just get a CPAP machine and try it out, instead of having to go through a sleep study.

Most people aren't good at assessing their own fatigue. A sleep study gives one quantifiable information about the quality of one's sleep.

So may people find their CPAP uncomfortable when they first use it, that it's unlikely they'll use it properly. Having a first use under the watchful eyes of a physician could be a good idea.

Then again, some people also get one and then don't use it, so maybe it's more of the same.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

#56

If this describes you, go get a sleep study done. A CPAP has completely changed the quality of my sleep. Even short sleep nights are deep and restful. Now I just need to get my diet under control and exercise regularly...

Wouldn’t getting your diet under control and exercising regularly be a lot easier/cheaper/better for you in the long run?

They're both critical. If you only have one, the other will be less effective (lean muscle loss versus fat gain when sleep deprived, a diet that disrupts sleep, sleep onset latency when there's no exercise) and/or more risky (increased injury risk when sleep deprived).

Although, I wonder _if_ the false dichotomy were entertained, what will contribute to quantity and quality of life more.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

#57

If this describes you, go get a sleep study done. A CPAP has completely changed the quality of my sleep. Even short sleep nights are deep and restful. Now I just need to get my diet under control and exercise regularly...

Wouldn’t getting your diet under control and exercising regularly be a lot easier/cheaper/better for you in the long run?

It's a lot harder to control one's diet and exercise when one chronically feels like shit due to poor sleep.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

#58

If this describes you, go get a sleep study done. A CPAP has completely changed the quality of my sleep. Even short sleep nights are deep and restful. Now I just need to get my diet under control and exercise regularly...

Wouldn’t getting your diet under control and exercising regularly be a lot easier/cheaper/better for you in the long run?

If you can do anything to fix your sleep now, immediately, it should be done. Poor sleep is arguably the worst possible thing you can inflict on your body. It has direct links to virtually every major disease and ill health outcome, including cancer, alzheimer's disease, every major mental health disorder, heart disease, increased risk of physical injuries, decreased metabolism... The list continues.

You should absolutely get your diet under control and build a consistent exercise routine in the long run. But both of those things will be very hard to do without the proper dose of high quality sleep every night. Without proper sleep you'll be fighting your own body every step of the way. Every positive health outcome gets harder to achieve without sleep, not easier.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

#59
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dreem is the only thing I know of. Pricy though. https://dreem.com/en

Does it actually stay on? I had a zeo headband sleep tracker and there was a %50 chance it would slip off while I was asleep.

In my experience, it stays on.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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If your doctor tells you to do a sleep study, do it. If, as a result, they tell you to get a CPAP, get it. Those things are life-changing. I felt like an old man at 50 years old. My back was so stiff I couldn't put on my socks. When I got out of bed in the morning I felt so fragile, like my joints were all inflamed - especially my Achilles' tendons. I was too tired to do anything beyond 6 pm. Now, 51, I feel totally…

And even if you're young, if you find yourself waking up at night with your heart racing, excessive snoring, etc, get it checked out. I got a CPAP machine at 20, and it's hard to overstate the impact. You can even just straight up buy them these days and adjust the settings yourself, sometimes the insurance premium on the sleep study is as high as the cost of the machine.

How feasible is that, though - to just up and buy one and set it up yourself? I'm honestly asking, not criticizing.
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