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Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by michaelkschmidt » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:25 PM UTC

lenova wrote: post #96

I've been having major sleep issues recently (waking up every 60-90s minutes, trouble staying asleep, averaging 2-4 hours of sleep a night total). I recorded myself overnight and heard quite a bit of snoring, so I picked up a at-home sleep study kit, convinced that I had sleep apnea. The results were that I didn't, classified my O2 intake as normal, and my snoring threshold as low. I'm at a loss as to what do now. I…

Have you tried taking melatonin right before bed? Even with a CPAP machine I use them from time to time. Just be sure you have a full 8 hours as it can make you groggy the next morning

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by spease » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:28 PM UTC

balfirevic wrote: post #76

cachestash wrote: post #74

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You're all going to think I am a crazy, but I instead elected to tape my mouth closed with 3m tape right when I go to bed. This to me is superior and should be your first port. Not only did it fix my apnoea and huge lack of energy during the day, but also my chronic sinus issues that had plagued me for years. Its also a lot cheaper, much easier to use / travel with and gets me into a good habit of nose breathing duri…

> You're all going to think I am a nutball, but I instead started to tape my mouth closed with 3m tape Wait, while sleeping or during the day? If while sleeping, isn't it dangerous?

It sounds like potentially, yes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2019/10/18/keep-you...

Dr. Li does surgery for sleep apnea. I was referred to him once for evaluation for a surgical procedure only he does (EASE/TPD) and which I was told that the referring doctor had seen a lot of effectiveness in improving sleep apnea in their patients. He seemed like he knew his stuff and was very up-front about being conservative about making predictions in my case.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by dlp211 » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:28 PM UTC

thelittleone wrote: post #99

cachestash wrote: post #74

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You're all going to think I am a crazy, but I instead elected to tape my mouth closed with 3m tape right when I go to bed. This to me is superior and should be your first port. Not only did it fix my apnoea and huge lack of energy during the day, but also my chronic sinus issues that had plagued me for years. Its also a lot cheaper, much easier to use / travel with and gets me into a good habit of nose breathing duri…

I found it helpful to work on nose breath power. I needed to for boxing as I was mouth breathing. So on my jogs I started to nose breath took some time to get the throughput I needed but sleep improved and general breathing feels much improved.

Can you provide some articles/videos for techniques? I've been a mouth breather my whole life and wonder if I could improve my running performance by switching technique.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by freedomben » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:30 PM UTC

balfirevic wrote: post #87

cachestash wrote: post #84

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No, not at all. I heard it first from a dentist and its quite common, well more common than would be expected. Its also perfectly safe, if your nose becomes congested you rip it off in your sleep. It fixed my apnoea and chronic sinus issues. Seems I was constantly developing nasal polyps from mouth breathing all night. Here is a dentist recommending mouth taping: https://askthedentist.com/mouth-tape-better-sleep/

Thanks, that's really interesting. I might try it, if I can figure out how to keep my mustache and beard intact :)

Also have a mustache and beard. Just ordered https://smile.amazon.com/Sleep-Strips-SomniFix-Breathing-Nig... . We'll see how it goes. Still sounds insane but hey, It's easy enough to try.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by cachestash » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:30 PM UTC

theli0nheart wrote: post #100

cachestash wrote: post #74

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You're all going to think I am a crazy, but I instead elected to tape my mouth closed with 3m tape right when I go to bed. This to me is superior and should be your first port. Not only did it fix my apnoea and huge lack of energy during the day, but also my chronic sinus issues that had plagued me for years. Its also a lot cheaper, much easier to use / travel with and gets me into a good habit of nose breathing duri…

> You're all going to think I am a crazy It's only crazy that you're not using a medical device that's built for this! Your head's in the right place, though. ;) https://goodmorningsnoresolution.com/ > Mouth breathing is horrendous for your health and well being. I completely agree with this, but using an APAP and breathing through one's mouth are unrelated. There are full-face masks that let one breath through the m…

> medical device that's built for this!

You don't need to spend $90 on some patented thing. Use simple 3M Micropore Surgical Tape 2.5cm x 9.14m, its what every one else uses for mouth taping and its exactly what a lot of dentists will suggest is used, although a few more folks are using SomniFix Sleep Strips as well. Tape works absolutely fine though, and its the consensus go to by most users.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by nyhc99 » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:33 PM UTC

Here's what I wonder, and this is somewhat tangential to the issue-- the effects of cannabis are thought to be disruptive to some of the various stages of the sleep cycle, but at the same time, it can sure help you to achieve a full night of uninterrupted sleep. So in the context of these inflammation problems, I wonder what exactly it is about fitful sleep that leads to these inflammation responses and whether taking a toke before bed could be beneficial to your arteries.

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Post by cachestash » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:33 PM UTC

dlp211 wrote: post #103

thelittleone wrote: post #99

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I found it helpful to work on nose breath power. I needed to for boxing as I was mouth breathing. So on my jogs I started to nose breath took some time to get the throughput I needed but sleep improved and general breathing feels much improved.

Can you provide some articles/videos for techniques? I've been a mouth breather my whole life and wonder if I could improve my running performance by switching technique.

Hey, OP here.

Tape your mouth at night! On your easy runs, breath solely through your nose.

For the record, I am an ultra runner. Nose breathing is hugely beneficial for endurance athletes. I have seen my pace come up while heart rate / perceived effort remains the same.

I did the last years entire Montane Spine Challenger just breathing through my nose (108 mile race).

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by thelittleone » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:33 PM UTC

SaintGhurka wrote: post #54

odiroot wrote: post #43

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If only it was so easy. I was told, in Germany, I have to wait 2+ months for the next appointment.

That's the one consolation to those of us in the maddeningly expensive US system. You can usually find someone who will get you scheduled in very short order. Don't let the wait deter you. If you do need the machine, it can really improve your life.

I live in Bali. I had some chest pains for a few months so saw a specialist. He tested with stethoscope and said sounded fine. He gave me the option of taking a CT thorax. Went downstairs to radiology. They could do the CT scan right away. They had a deal going for COVID of blood test + CT thorax for $120 USD (whereas the CT Thorax a lone would have been $170).

So I took the test and got the results 2 days later and saw the specialist. He showed me the full scan said it's all clear. He then asked if I had insurance. I said no... he walked me to the billing desk and said no charge. What a legend.

Turns out chest pains was from GERD.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by dlp211 » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:34 PM UTC

crispyporkbites wrote: post #42

trentnix wrote: post #17

If this describes you, go get a sleep study done. A CPAP has completely changed the quality of my sleep. Even short sleep nights are deep and restful. Now I just need to get my diet under control and exercise regularly...

Wouldn’t getting your diet under control and exercising regularly be a lot easier/cheaper/better for you in the long run?

Completely anecdotal, but I've been both highly fit and obese and irrespective of my fitness leve, crap sleep always makes me feel like junk, and good sleep always makes me feel great. I get more crap sleep being obese, but if I could fix that, exercise is much easier to come by.

Re: Fitful nightly sleep linked to chronic inflammation, hardened arteries

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Post by spease » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:34 PM UTC

elcritch wrote: post #72

technofiend wrote: post #67

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Getting an APAP (auto-adjusting machine) was automated to the point that the barrier to entry is pretty darn low. An at-home study required me to sit through dead obvious instruction on how to equip and use the machine. Once I was prescribed a machine as a result of the study, the most time-consuming part was picking up a machine and sitting with a nurse to try on various masks. Since the machine itself is set to wha…

I’m not in a position to do a sleep study. But I’d like to self-monitor my sleep and oxygen levels. Do you know of any DIY projects in that area? In the future fitbits and Apple watches should automatically include sleep / oxygen quality. It’ll take getting past the FDA, but for the low cost of having that info bs the benefits society would gain... well DIy seems like a good way to trail blaze.

The best pulse ox I’ve found is the O2Ring. It’s more comfortable than any other pulse ox I’ve used, it samples at a high rate and produces absolutely gorgeous output. The downsides: I don’t believe it integrates with OSCAR, and it’s a whopping $180.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T5L57M4/