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Study finds political bias skews perceptions of verifiable fact

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Re: Study finds political bias skews perceptions of verifiable fact

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I suppose you could turn it round and ask: why are certain groups so obsessed with forcing immigration on people that don't want it? Don't those people have a right not to have their minds changed by people with an agenda? Who decides what opinions are palatable or otherwise, and why are they seeking to subvert commonly held beliefs for their own benefit?

>certain groups so obsessed with forcing immigration on people that don't want it?

Are you referring to human traffickers?

Re: Study finds political bias skews perceptions of verifiable fact

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Looks like the stock market was flat-lining by the end of Obama's term. https://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-averag... You may not care about facts, but don't generalize too quickly.

When I look at this chart I see ups and downs but overall a pretty steady upward trend. I don’t see eights years of Obama misery and then triumph under Trump. That was my point.

Your point was that people don't care about facts, which you are proving in ironic fashion. Even when presented with evidence and facts, you fail to acknowledge it.

Re: Study finds political bias skews perceptions of verifiable fact

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> One trick to circumvent this is to report the OPPOSITE conclusion first, and then say, 'actually, it was the opposite' after the listener says 'well, duh.' Study finds political bias improves perception of verifiable facts. I don't think I heard a lot of "well, duh". > In reality, we don't know until we test... We have a lot of stories and biases that we carry all over the place, some are useful, most are shorthand…

Another option is just the actual null hypothesis: "Study finds that ideology has no impact on perception of facts." Which doesn't seem surprising at all to me... After all, is the sky red if Trump says it is?

Red sky at night, shepherds' delight. Red sky at morning, shepherds take warning.

That's true, but there are different kinds of facts, and the argument isn't meant for all of them. "Is water wet? Study finds overwhelming bipartisan agreement!" Finally some common ground.

Re: Study finds political bias skews perceptions of verifiable fact

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I suppose you could turn it round and ask: why are certain groups so obsessed with forcing immigration on people that don't want it? Don't those people have a right not to have their minds changed by people with an agenda? Who decides what opinions are palatable or otherwise, and why are they seeking to subvert commonly held beliefs for their own benefit?

>certain groups so obsessed with forcing immigration on people that don't want it? Are you referring to human traffickers?

I was thinking more the ideologues prevalent throughout virtually every major global institution and goverment. But there does seem to be evidence of NGOs and traffickers collaborating in the Mediterranean for example.

Re: Study finds political bias skews perceptions of verifiable fact

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When I look at this chart I see ups and downs but overall a pretty steady upward trend. I don’t see eights years of Obama misery and then triumph under Trump. That was my point.

Your point was that people don't care about facts, which you are proving in ironic fashion. Even when presented with evidence and facts, you fail to acknowledge it.

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Re: Study finds political bias skews perceptions of verifiable fact

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I look at this chart I see ups and downs but overall a pretty steady upward trend. I don’t see eights years of Obama misery and then triumph under Trump. That was my point.

Your point was that people don't care about facts, which you are proving in ironic fashion. Even when presented with evidence and facts, you fail to acknowledge it.

What facts and evidence for what did you present?

Re: Study finds political bias skews perceptions of verifiable fact

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I can't believe they thought it was that high. I mean general unemployment is no where near 27% and you'd suspect that with threat of losing visa status, immigrants are more likelier to take a job they dont exactly grok.

"grok" is defined as "comprehend the dynamics of" which I'm not sure you meant.

good point, I didn't use it correctly

Re: Study finds political bias skews perceptions of verifiable fact

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> While the average American born in the bottom 20% has a 7.8% chance of reaching the top 20%, that number is actually 25% for Asians. Exactly. Amy Chau wrote a great book called The Triple Package that points this out and the fact that its not just Asians (which broadly lumps Indians and all other Asian cultures together): Nigerian immigrants, Cuban exiles, Lebonese, Mormons, Iranians, Jews, all see roughly the same…

> Its considered taboo to point out that income inequality is largely cultural. I wouldn't say "cultural" because that's pretty loaded. My point is more that if there were something structural about the economy that kept people in their class (big banks, bad public education, etc.) you wouldn't see high mobility in certain sub-groups. There has to be other factors in play--who knows what they are. But I wouldn't assu…

If you can't point to exact laws and exact policy in 2020 that is the cause for the "structural" then I feel like we are just ghost hunting rather than admitting to the uncomfortable conclusion that others have already reached multiple times. We may need to shift the discussion to damage to a culture done in the past rather than blame some specter that doesn't actually exist in the now in any of the statistical data. Structural implies universal application, which it clearly is not.
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