> but would instead referee a common set of European rules. That sounds less like innovation and more like regulation to hinder foreign companies. The US should retaliate economically if that becomes the case.
Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
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Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#32I wonder how much they will be paying their software developers. Right now, a senior developer that really understands cloud and distributed computing can make more than $500,000/yr at Amazon, Azure, or Microsoft. If they want to attract the talent to build this, they are going to have to pay a lot more than they are used to paying for software engineers.
Well, salaries are always relative to the local market so to attract the top 5% of talent they will need to offer maybe $180k/yr.
Knowing you can triple your salary by moving is a pretty big incentive for a lot of people.
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? Typically the concern is that they can compete too well.
Can you point us to some examples of governments beating the private sector in software? I can’t imagine that EU governments can pull together funding greater than Google or Amazon tbh. Besides you then have to convince the private sector to move to your new unproven cloud platform
Of course an app is a much smaller project than launching a cloud provider.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
USA Payroll tax: 15.3% combined, first $127,000 only (3.89% effective) France Payroll tax: 20% for salaries over €151,965. USA Income tax: 42%, including State (CA) and Federal, excluding deductions France Income Tax: 50%. So the labour cost will be a lot higher due to payroll taxes, and the employee will take home less due to income taxes. High VAT (20% in France, 8.5% in SF) means consumer purchases are also more e…
San Fran also has over 8k homeless in a population of 800k. The overall homeless rate in France is about 5x lower per capita. My opinion on paying taxes changed drastically after I visited the USA 2 years ago (San Fran, LA, Vegas). I was absolutely shocked by the amount of poverty I saw and I had never realised that America had such a drastically different culture to Australia.
For the 2019-2020 fiscal year, San Francisco will spend $364 million on the homeless.
I think there are other major issues besides lack of money from lack of taxes.
For one thing, when comparing per capita, you shouldn't just look at the population of San Francisco. A lot of those 8k homeless people came from other parts of the state or even other parts of the country to San Francisco. This is in large part that San Francisco has nice weather and is relatively welcoming to the homeless compared to a lot of cities and jurisdictions. Whereas in a lot of cities, homeless residents might get a lot of harrassment from the police, in San Francisico for the most part they are left alone.
So when doing per capita homelessness in San Francisco, you probably need to look at a much larger overall population that just that of San Francisco.
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#35I wonder how much they will be paying their software developers. Right now, a senior developer that really understands cloud and distributed computing can make more than $500,000/yr at Amazon, Azure, or Microsoft. If they want to attract the talent to build this, they are going to have to pay a lot more than they are used to paying for software engineers.
USA Payroll tax: 15.3% combined, first $127,000 only (3.89% effective) France Payroll tax: 20% for salaries over €151,965. USA Income tax: 42%, including State (CA) and Federal, excluding deductions France Income Tax: 50%. So the labour cost will be a lot higher due to payroll taxes, and the employee will take home less due to income taxes. High VAT (20% in France, 8.5% in SF) means consumer purchases are also more e…
That's a common bashing legend that France/Germany are taxe hell and it is mainly bullshit.
I am currently live in France with salary over 100k and my effective taxe rate is under 20%.
Both France and Germany (and almost every European country) have a gazillion way of reducing legally your taxe bill if you do it right.
Currently, some of my colleagues in Switzerland, a well known taxe heaven, pay more taxe than I do.
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#36It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…
The idea itself of supporting Europeans alternative to face American and Chinese tech giants is by itself noble (and I think necessary).
However, the usual way it is done is a disaster: top-bottom, funding some existing behemoth company that will have no capacity whatsoever to innovate, nor will to do so. But they will get the money because they have good connections.
If you think about it, it is not very different of the American military-industrial complex and the way the DoD/Army/DoE fund their programs (F-35 ?).
Creating a good environment for startups and giving grants to several ones in parallel to create an internal competitive market would be both cheaper and more effective.
But that would imply first a generation switch....
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#37It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
USA Payroll tax: 15.3% combined, first $127,000 only (3.89% effective) France Payroll tax: 20% for salaries over €151,965. USA Income tax: 42%, including State (CA) and Federal, excluding deductions France Income Tax: 50%. So the labour cost will be a lot higher due to payroll taxes, and the employee will take home less due to income taxes. High VAT (20% in France, 8.5% in SF) means consumer purchases are also more e…
> France, Germany etc. are charging huge payroll, income and sales taxes to fund their huge welfare states and bureaucracies, but in the process ruining their competitiveness That's a common bashing legend that France/Germany are taxe hell and it is mainly bullshit. I am currently live in France with salary over 100k and my effective taxe rate is under 20%. Both France and Germany (and almost every European country)…
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> France, Germany etc. are charging huge payroll, income and sales taxes to fund their huge welfare states and bureaucracies, but in the process ruining their competitiveness That's a common bashing legend that France/Germany are taxe hell and it is mainly bullshit. I am currently live in France with salary over 100k and my effective taxe rate is under 20%. Both France and Germany (and almost every European country)…
And what are those ways?
Private pension contributions are also tax deductible and don't actually have to be used for retirement (you can use it to fund a first house for example)
Other things that you can take off your tax bill include alimony payments, charitable donations and investments made in certain French initiatives.
So yes, there are many ways to legally reduce your tax bill quite significantly here.
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#40It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…
Qwant is poorly managed, but that doesn't mean every project is doomed to fail. If you would judge Google success based on their failed projects, it would be the same conclusion.