> but would instead referee a common set of European rules.
That sounds less like innovation and more like regulation to hinder foreign companies. The US should retaliate economically if that becomes the case.
Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
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Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#22I wonder how much they will be paying their software developers. Right now, a senior developer that really understands cloud and distributed computing can make more than $500,000/yr at Amazon, Azure, or Microsoft. If they want to attract the talent to build this, they are going to have to pay a lot more than they are used to paying for software engineers.
USA Payroll tax: 15.3% combined, first $127,000 only (3.89% effective)
France Payroll tax: 20% for salaries over €151,965.
USA Income tax: 42%, including State (CA) and Federal, excluding deductions
France Income Tax: 50%.
So the labour cost will be a lot higher due to payroll taxes, and the employee will take home less due to income taxes. High VAT (20% in France, 8.5% in SF) means consumer purchases are also more expensive. If you are in Paris, you're at a latitude 48.8N, SF 37.7N.
The same is true for moving to other Anglo countries: UK, Canada, Australia have similar lower-tax regimes.
France, Germany etc. are charging huge payroll, income and sales taxes to fund their huge welfare states and bureaucracies, but in the process ruining their competitiveness.
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#23It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…
Or Outscale; the "French AWS" owned by Dassault Systemes...they did do a great job of cloning the AWS console feature set; but the backend was supposedly all VMware & Cisco UCS. Surprisingly not Bull hw, given that the people responsible for it came from there. Coulden't be cheap to run, and I've always wondered who used it outside of 3DS.
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#24I have sadly no faith in europe to get this right. While capitalism is under fire right now it does one thing better than anything we know right now. Innovate. I don't see a government competition with a group of smart, capable people, who would reap all the money from said effort.
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#25It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…
There has been no better example of this mindset recently than the development of the StopCovid app. It makes no sense on a number of levels, but there are so many government officials pushing it in the name of “la souveraineté de l’État sur la santé”.
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#26I wonder how much they will be paying their software developers. Right now, a senior developer that really understands cloud and distributed computing can make more than $500,000/yr at Amazon, Azure, or Microsoft. If they want to attract the talent to build this, they are going to have to pay a lot more than they are used to paying for software engineers.
USA Payroll tax: 15.3% combined, first $127,000 only (3.89% effective) France Payroll tax: 20% for salaries over €151,965. USA Income tax: 42%, including State (CA) and Federal, excluding deductions France Income Tax: 50%. So the labour cost will be a lot higher due to payroll taxes, and the employee will take home less due to income taxes. High VAT (20% in France, 8.5% in SF) means consumer purchases are also more e…
San Fran also has over 8k homeless in a population of 800k. The overall homeless rate in France is about 5x lower per capita.
My opinion on paying taxes changed drastically after I visited the USA 2 years ago (San Fran, LA, Vegas). I was absolutely shocked by the amount of poverty I saw and I had never realised that America had such a drastically different culture to Australia.
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#27It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…
In terms of technology and innovation the German side is likely similar, though I wouldn't go as far as calling it corruption. Larger companies like Deutsche Telekom have been doing local cloud stuff for years now, leading to amusing overviews such as [1].
Having interacted with some of the folks at conferences I'm pretty sure there's a core of people in there somewhat committed to open source which was nice to see. But in terms of innovation none of the projects branded as "German X as a service" over the last decades stood out as particularly innovative or remotely well managed.
[1] https://cloud.telekom.de/resource/blob/data/90924/6196063473...
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#28> That is already far too late, according to analysts at Gartner, who forecast that the global market for public cloud services will grow by 17% to $228 billion this year. “The leading cloud providers have already moved quickly to build up this market,” said Gartner analyst Rene Buest. Person not poised to make exorbitant money off venture thinks venture a waste of time. Alternatively, person who might lose money if…
But also, point that speaks for itself. Either you agree that market entrenchment will be a huge obstacle or you don't
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#29I wonder how much they will be paying their software developers. Right now, a senior developer that really understands cloud and distributed computing can make more than $500,000/yr at Amazon, Azure, or Microsoft. If they want to attract the talent to build this, they are going to have to pay a lot more than they are used to paying for software engineers.
Well, salaries are always relative to the local market so to attract the top 5% of talent they will need to offer maybe $180k/yr.
Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’
#30This might sound terrible ... but this will come from Scandinavia/Finland or not at all. Possibly in the form of one or a few, very well thought out startups and/or standards that the rest of Europe can buy into.
This is not about size, it's about 'getting it right' - and then having the system follow along one way or another.