Doesn't seem practical for small gas stations with limited apron space for cars to be loitering around.
Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging
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Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an American, I'm jealous of this policy. If all gas stations in the US were required to provide EV charging, there would be a significant uptick in EV adoption. Even if they don't end up getting used, the value is in the peace-of-mind for people currently on the edge of making the switch to EVs. It's a great way to encourage EV adoption, second only to straight cash incentives. Another thing to consider is the ass…
Honestly people don't want to go to a gas station and wait and watch people fill up while their car charges, they'll park somewhere where they can get out, sit in a cafe, do some shopping, go to work, or go to sleep - in short people use chargers in a different way than they use gas pumps. I think there is a place for gas stations with chargers .... along the interstate .... but not in cities
Aren't many gas stations in cities located in places where you could get out, sit in a cafe, do some shopping or whatever?
Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are totally correct, yet OP's point is still reasonable - this was written from the perspective of a petrol-car driver; moreover, it's a missed opportunity to think differently. Petrol stations require big tanks underground to store the petrol; we don't have pipelines through the city carrying petrol. On the other hand, we do have a massive network of wires carrying electricity. EV charging can so easily be distr…
What would be a good use of gas stations for electric cars is battery swapping. It is too early to make this mandatory but I think it might be time to start working on this idea. (It has been looked into before.)
Battery swapping was an idea that made sense when battery tech wasn't as good and ranges weren't as great, but its window has passed. You might be thinking of Better Place, which actually launched a battery-swap station. It made sense (some) sense at the time to spend 5 minutes on a battery swap that would otherwise take 6 hours to charge for 111 miles of range. But today, right now, you can spend 20 minutes to get 174 miles of range at a supercharger.
Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an American, I'm jealous of this policy. If all gas stations in the US were required to provide EV charging, there would be a significant uptick in EV adoption. Even if they don't end up getting used, the value is in the peace-of-mind for people currently on the edge of making the switch to EVs. It's a great way to encourage EV adoption, second only to straight cash incentives. Another thing to consider is the ass…
If this were enacted in the U.S. I would expect the parking spots with charge ports to be filled for hours at a time, using up parking spots for the convenience store. Not the end of the world, but gas station operators and non-electric customers would probably find it annoying. Gas stations are setup to service cars in minutes; to re-charge a similar number of electric cars in the same time would require either new…
All new public charging stations really need to be Level 3. The only new Level 2 chargers that should be going in are ones where people already park for hours at a time (overnight street parking, apartment buildings, etc.)
Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging
#105Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would be a good use of gas stations for electric cars is battery swapping. It is too early to make this mandatory but I think it might be time to start working on this idea. (It has been looked into before.)
Battery swapping was an idea that made sense when battery tech wasn't as good and ranges weren't as great, but its window has passed. You might be thinking of Better Place, which actually launched a battery-swap station. It made sense (some) sense at the time to spend 5 minutes on a battery swap that would otherwise take 6 hours to charge for 111 miles of range. But today, right now, you can spend 20 minutes to get 1…
...which is also why it's a bit frustrating to see people saying "Oh, this is from the perspective of gas guzzlers!"...no it isn't. this is a huge win, we're not trying to replace all infrastructure overnight, but it lowers the inconvenience of a marginal EV greatly...174mi in 20 min is damn good, that's 4 of my loooong commutes
Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging
#107This is like requiring gas pumps at horse stables.
The cool thing about charging stations is they don't require big underground tanks or really any more space than the parking spots. Put them where there's already parking.
Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The fact of the matter is, that half of German households cannot charge their vehicles at home, because they live in a rented apartment. Do apartments in Germany not have charging stations? And if not, is there a fundamental reason why they can't be remedied somehow in the near-ish future?
> Do apartments in Germany not have charging stations? The US is fairly unusual in its "for every apartment building there must be a giant parking lot" zoning.
Like most general statements about the US, this is only true in parts of it. Plenty of cities in the US, especially the older east coast one's, do not have apartment buildings with parking lots.
Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would be a good use of gas stations for electric cars is battery swapping. It is too early to make this mandatory but I think it might be time to start working on this idea. (It has been looked into before.)
Battery swapping was an idea that made sense when battery tech wasn't as good and ranges weren't as great, but its window has passed. You might be thinking of Better Place, which actually launched a battery-swap station. It made sense (some) sense at the time to spend 5 minutes on a battery swap that would otherwise take 6 hours to charge for 111 miles of range. But today, right now, you can spend 20 minutes to get 1…
> But today, right now, you can spend 20 minutes to get 174 miles of range at a supercharger.
That's still 20 minutes longer than it should take. And probably around 15 minutes longer than it takes to fill up with gas (which will give you twice the range). Speeding that up makes sense.
(To be clear, I don't think it's reasonable to mandate swappable batteries, for instance; there's far too much innovation and potential innovation in battery technology for that. However, I think it's reasonable to experiment with that, and any other solution that will let it take less time to charge.)
Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honestly people don't want to go to a gas station and wait and watch people fill up while their car charges, they'll park somewhere where they can get out, sit in a cafe, do some shopping, go to work, or go to sleep - in short people use chargers in a different way than they use gas pumps. I think there is a place for gas stations with chargers .... along the interstate .... but not in cities
Aren't many gas stations in cities located in places where you could get out, sit in a cafe, do some shopping or whatever?
they tend to be on busy streets or corners where people can stop fill up and leave quickly - as I mentioned above electric cars just don't charge that fast, no one in an electric car wants to sit watching people gassing up - better that they leave the car for an hour and do something important in their lives - it really is a different way of thinking about how you use a vehicle