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Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by belltaco »

lighthazard wrote: post #5
cgb223 wrote: post #2

While I’m all for a future full of electric cars, I wonder what kind of financial burden this will put on petrol stations or even if charging stations fit the same paradigm as gas pumps since they take much longer to charge

I do wonder how the logistics of this will work in small gas stations. They will now need a dedicated spot for each port. Also now need amenities to support riders who are waiting for their car to charge.

I don't they will "need" amenities, in the worst case they can just wait in the car.

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #40
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Die hohen Herren der heiligen Karre schätzen es nicht von einem Emporkömmling getrieben zu werden. The high Lords of the holy car dislike to be driven by some upstart/newcomer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoNxS-s9nKQ

I’m enjoying the schadenfreude.

Good :)

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by 11thEarlOfMar »

This begs a larger question of how petroleum mega corps are going to weather the transition to electric vehicles. Looking at BP, margins are really poor. They have $22 Billion in cash vs. $11 Billion operating expenses and $24 Billion in debt.

There is time: in March, 2% of new vehicles sold in Europe were BEV. On the other hand, the total spend on electricity per mile driven is 1/3 that of petrol. That means a complete transition would ultimately yield 1/3 the revenue. In order to remain even, the companies would need to see 3x the gross margin on the electricity than they gain on petrol. Is that possible? BP's gross margin is 7.5% (TTM). Can they get Maybe. But the real killer is people charge at home, over night. So, no. Electric charge stations will not supplement petrol station revenue. They are toast. They'll need to find entirely new businesses to invest in to survive.

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by belltaco »

zizee wrote: post #9

This seems a bit unfair/cruel considering electric cars will probably decimate petrol stations. Most people will charge at home, or when parked at their destination (like work). Edit: Curious to know why this comment is unpopular?

Gas stations make much of their money from the convenience store. The margins on the gas itself are pretty thin. The fact that electric cars take longer to charge means it's more likely that people will venture out of the car to browse the store.

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by bgorman »

aaomidi wrote: post #25
sib wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it were the case that allowing charging was an economic benefit to the owners of gas stations, I guess they'd already be doing it. Since so few of them are, I assume that it's not beneficial. If the government wants this, it should pay station owners to do it.

People are very slow to adapt to change. Even when there is an economic advantage to them. A failing of modern economic theory, assuming that every entity acts logically and in their best interest.

There is no way that providing electric charging at gas stations is a boost to all gas station's revenue. Consider extremely rural gas stations for example. (Yes, I am aware Germany is more dense than the US)

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

zizee wrote: post #9

This seems a bit unfair/cruel considering electric cars will probably decimate petrol stations. Most people will charge at home, or when parked at their destination (like work). Edit: Curious to know why this comment is unpopular?

I don't know why you're getting downvoted, but I wanted to say that petrol stations don't have feelings...

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #33

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What? I didn't even mention the battery reconditioning by magical modulation!

edit: Thinking further about it I missed some "anti-sparqz".

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by metabagel »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #29
vazamb wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Petrol stations in Germany make almost no money on petrol. I think it was something along the lines of 2-3 cents/liter. I am quite sure that they will be happy to have customers stay in their shop for longer.

Good for them. Even more ugly coffee from shabby machines at inflated prices :)

Is ugly coffee the kind which isn’t topped with latte art? ;-)

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #43

This begs a larger question of how petroleum mega corps are going to weather the transition to electric vehicles. Looking at BP, margins are really poor. They have $22 Billion in cash vs. $11 Billion operating expenses and $24 Billion in debt. There is time: in March, 2% of new vehicles sold in Europe were BEV. On the other hand, the total spend on electricity per mile driven is 1/3 that of petrol. That means a compl…

> They are toast

Oil and gas majors are super cortexes of geological, chemical, industrial, logistical, geopolitical and material science expertise.

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

metabagel wrote: post #48
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good for them. Even more ugly coffee from shabby machines at inflated prices :)

Is ugly coffee the kind which isn’t topped with latte art? ;-)

It's spending about 4 to 5 EUR for about 350 to 400ml, not tasting any good in any variation i've tried (because captive audience at the moment) and afterwards angrily wondered why i did it AGAIN?
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