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iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by krrrh »

joshspankit wrote: post #404
patentatt wrote: post #358

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Many of the troll cases actually do trace back to a small time inventor, very often a failed small startup. They then sell their patents to various intermediaries which winds up in the hands of a ‘troll.’ So the original inventor does get paid, even if it’s an NPE doing the actual litigation against the big companies. The reason these trolls are so abhorrent is that they seek to maximize their economic value in the p…

I would also not be surprised if they paid the inventors as little as they can get away with and ended up with more “income” than they pass along.

Yes, that is generally how investments work. Companies determined to spend more money than they are able to make off of patents might have exist, but not for long.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by snazz »

oarsinsync wrote: post #256
ta17711771 wrote: post #246

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> 90% of the people might already have an iPhone 85%+ of the world's on Android, think outside your social circle =]

The whole point is to be about your social circle. If 90% of my social circle is on iPhone, they're on iMessage. What the rest of the world outside of my social circle does isn't really relevant to my conversations inside my social circle. I've run up against this reality multiple times. I personally prefer signal & whatsapp for group chats than iMessage. If only because I can mute them and not get an annoying red bu…

Swipe a conversation in Messages and tap Hide Alerts.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by snazz »

aaomidi wrote: post #98
jamescostian wrote: post #79

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I'm 22 and live in a mid-sized city, and I've seen people trying to get into a relationship (or even something more casual, but not a platonic friendship) get rejected because of the dreaded "green bubbles" - and really, I'm not exaggerating. And not from rich people who have the latest iPhone either. In addition, I have been in friend groups that would exclude Android users because if you have even 1 Android user in…

More of a reason not to be friends with them.

It might be possible to be in a majority-Android friend group outside of North America, but not really here. iMessage is far too entrenched in the US for that to be possible.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by monocularvision »

derefr wrote: post #400
saagarjha wrote: post #206

Ok, so a comment on the actual content of the article rather than iMessage in general: I do the kinds of things that the author describes in the article (digging into private implementations of things) and I while I believe all of iMessage is a bit obfuscatory it's not nearly as bad as the author has described it. Really, it's one of the places where Hanlon's razor actually applies: the AppleScript bridge sucks becau…

> as well as its fairly strange usage of a web view (actually the long-deprecated one…) for the main content iMessage (at least on iOS) allows for arbitrary plugins to generate content for it, right? I presume it does that by having the plugin emit a web-component-like bit of HTML+CSS+JS, that is then embedded into the conversation for all participants, and which can be further rehydrated after initial rendering by j…

You would presume incorrectly. iMessage extensions use native code + rendering. It is probably the main reason why these things aren’t available on macOS.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by snazz »

partyboat1586 wrote: post #318
elliekelly wrote: post #100

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They absolutely should care. I’m not adding you to a group text if you have an android. Life is too short to read green text bubbles.

Why don't you use WhatsApp?

It's not a thing in the US. The iMessage user experience is unrivaled.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by oarsinsync »

jedieaston wrote: post #386
oarsinsync wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole point is to be about your social circle. If 90% of my social circle is on iPhone, they're on iMessage. What the rest of the world outside of my social circle does isn't really relevant to my conversations inside my social circle. I've run up against this reality multiple times. I personally prefer signal & whatsapp for group chats than iMessage. If only because I can mute them and not get an annoying red bu…

If you tap on the info button in Messages, you can click "Hide Alerts", which works fine for me.

That doesn't stop the red counter bubble from appearing and incrementing on the messages app, sadly.

Whereas a muted group chat in whatsapp is completely muted, unless someone explicitly @tags you in a message or explicitly replies to your message (another feature iMessage group chats lacks - tagging specific people, and explicit/contextual replies to specific messages)

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by 0xffff2 »

copperx wrote: post #260
hnick wrote: post #122

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My mid-30s colleague went back to Tinder in recent years and he mentioned he got questioned by his target market about not having a blue bubble. They were all Asian (but mostly Chinese) women in their late 20s who moved to Australia.

With reference to a recent HN thread, I wonder if saying "I'm a developer/security expert/working on a classified government project and HAVE to use a special phone" would garner sympathy or admiration and stop the questions.

This is funny because as someone who works on important but non-classified stuff for the government, I do carry around a government issued phone so that I can access my work email/IM anywhere. But, (a) it's another iPhone and (b) I'd get in an awful lot of trouble if I installed Tinder on it. Most people probably wouldn't realize that though.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

saagarjha wrote: post #206

Ok, so a comment on the actual content of the article rather than iMessage in general: I do the kinds of things that the author describes in the article (digging into private implementations of things) and I while I believe all of iMessage is a bit obfuscatory it's not nearly as bad as the author has described it. Really, it's one of the places where Hanlon's razor actually applies: the AppleScript bridge sucks becau…

I got the same feeling reading the post. Seems like it was difficult because iMessage is a private API and a little crufty as all long-lived APIs are. This was more of a lesson in what the code usually looks like inside any software org - messy, full of historical cruft etc etc. but it works and powers a very important feature, so there's little to gain / lot to lose by trying to refactor.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by nxc18 »

VMisTheWay wrote: post #408
nxc18 wrote: post #224

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Can you name a single android phone that is superior in performance with last year’s iPhone? Can you name an android phone that will be stable and up-to-date 5 years after it was released?

Do Pixel count? But I'm anti Google now, I have not researched in a few years. Apple slows down old phones, no one gives 5 years of support.

Yes, Apple gives 5+ years. My iPhone 6s from 2015 is on latest iOS and still fast with a new battery.

Pixel might count, but they don’t guarantee more than 2 years of Android updates. The built-in processors are years behind what Apple provides, so it’s understandable.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by jamescostian »

gt2 wrote: post #135
jamescostian wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm 22 and live in a mid-sized city, and I've seen people trying to get into a relationship (or even something more casual, but not a platonic friendship) get rejected because of the dreaded "green bubbles" - and really, I'm not exaggerating. And not from rich people who have the latest iPhone either. In addition, I have been in friend groups that would exclude Android users because if you have even 1 Android user in…

One of the most disappointing anecdotes I've read recently.

If you're looking to be even more disappointed, check this out: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23406844
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